Missing "gems"

A. G. Maisey · 24th April 2022, 12:54 AM

Here are a few more Khojuk Marenges hilts. I'm not sure that all would qualify as this hilt style, I think they all do, but I'm not certain because I have not checked against references, maybe there are a few that do not make the basket.

From memory, I think the name means something like a particular type of bird (a kujhuk) quivering in fear because it has been trapped.

Jean · 24th April 2022, 09:15 AM

Hello Alan,
The specimen on the far right of the top row is in tumenggunan (regent) style IMO because it has 2 flat and parallel faces on the top part.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 24th April 2022, 09:36 AM

Yes, it could be Jean, and if you look carefully you might find a few more that could be classified as something else.

I like to use the Aswin Wirjadi collection as a reference when possible, but I did not have time to do that. I've got around 100 or so Madura hilts, they're kept in a drawer --- apart from the ones on keris & a dozen or so on a display stand --- so I just sorted through the drawer and pulled out the ones that I thought might qualify, I was using overall form & epaulets or their substitution as the classifiers.

It was just a very quick pick & foto.

Paul B. · 25th April 2022, 06:33 PM

@ David: the base of your KM handle is for a great part gone/worn ?

David · 26th April 2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul B.

@ David: the base of your KM handle is for a great part gone/worn ?

I've never really thought about it before, but i do understand your question. It's fairly old ivory, so i suppose it is possible that there was damage and it was "repaired" by removal of the base. But when i have seen this before some other material is usually used as a replacement for the worn out part.
This is a rather small example of this style of hilt and is on a patrem. So it his possible it was always this way or perhaps shortened to proportionally fit the the blade better. But if you look in Detelf's examples in post #8, the one in the middle also doesn't have the normal base to the hilt.
Alan, do you know anything more about this one?

GIO · 26th April 2022, 05:09 PM

Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also

David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)

David · 26th April 2022, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also

David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)

Yes, sorry, i did mean THIRD from the right. I will correct my post. Thanks!

24th April 2022, 12:54 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Here are a few more Khojuk Marenges hilts. I'm not sure that all would qualify as this hilt style, I think they all do, but I'm not certain because I have not checked against references, maybe there are a few that do not make the basket. From memory, I think the name means something like a particular type of bird (a kujhuk) quivering in fear because it has been trapped. Attached Images

24th April 2022, 09:15 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Alan, The specimen on the far right of the top row is in tumenggunan (regent) style IMO because it has 2 flat and parallel faces on the top part. Regards

24th April 2022, 09:36 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Yes, it could be Jean, and if you look carefully you might find a few more that could be classified as something else. I like to use the Aswin Wirjadi collection as a reference when possible, but I did not have time to do that. I've got around 100 or so Madura hilts, they're kept in a drawer --- apart from the ones on keris & a dozen or so on a display stand --- so I just sorted through the drawer and pulled out the ones that I thought might qualify, I was using overall form & epaulets or their substitution as the classifiers. It was just a very quick pick & foto.

25th April 2022, 06:33 PM	#4
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	@ David: the base of your KM handle is for a great part gone/worn ?

26th April 2022, 05:09 PM	#6
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	Detelf's examples in post #8, the second one from the right also David you probably refer to the THIRD one from the right. (the photo normally does not show entirely all the hilts)