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There is writing there (3rd picture) but all I've been able to make out is G R ET (or I suppose with a bit of imagination it could be a degraded "FECIT") and I'm not really sure about any of it.
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"Este hecho se produce especialmente en el caso de los de raiz vasca, como Pedro Lagaretea por Pedro de Garaeta" He is reported to have worked both in Bilbao and Toledo. . |
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What a coincidence, Iam from Leiden and I was bidding on this rapier yesterday afternoon, bought a hunting sword so we can combine shipping :-)
I stopped at a certain point because I was not sure if there was a crack at the quilon near the ricasso block, It may be ok, it was not clear on the photos nevertheless concrats the rapier is beautiful, early and rare. The Rapier is Italian 1540-1560, Norman Type 32, if you have the book have a look at plate 21. there are similar examples in the Met , the wallace collection and stibbert museum. @ Fernando yes I came also to PEDRO DEL.........AGARETA best, jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 24th April 2022 at 12:21 PM. |
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what is the name of the book? |
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Thanks for the reference, that's a pretty close one, as is the one in the Norman book. Which book is the one you posted the screenshot from? But re: Shipping; alas, as noted I did not get the sword, I just wanted to see if I was on the right track with my thinking and to learn a bit more about the engravings / markings. The world of renaissance rapier collecting is a bit daunting for a novice collector so it's good to be able to check whether I'm not just chasing obvious fakes (I half-expected someone here to raise their hand and say something to the effect of "those proportions are completely wrong and it's an antiqued €25 Marto wallhanger from the early 2000s" ![]() |
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Il museo Stibbert -Boccia book 3 ** @ merenti the rapier and small-sword 1460-1820-Norman and Barne Last edited by cornelistromp; 24th April 2022 at 05:26 PM. |
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I mean if one would decide to wait untill a better one come's along that is also for sale and all original like this one , it could be you would need to wait longer than the swords age itself. kind regards Ulfberth |
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After some carefull cleaning I can confirm it is indeed PEDRO DEL GARAETA.
The condition is good enough for me condsidering its age. More important its complete not missing anything and the blade is still at full lenght, including original gripwire. There are not that many of these around either. kind regards Ulfberth |
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Very nice piece ulfberth. Congrats! I should've known someone from this message board got it. Very jealous.
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Thank you for you'r kind words Werecow !
Yes I believe it is " the green man" although a bit with a brownish black tan. Now that you mention it, I have not seen this type of pommel with the green man on it before. Although it's not an uncommon type of decoration, it appears hilts to and suits of armour from the same period. I did no know there was a collector who collects rapier this period in Leiden either. Here is a better picture taken in daylight, im not a good photographer certainly not with an 80 dollar cam. Kind regards Ulfbert |
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hey Dirk, congratulations on the beautiful rapier. From this point of view it is really a beautiful old and rare piece. Markus |
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