Missing "gems"

Jean · 16th April 2022, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I agree with Jean about the holes. But there are aspects of this material that make me wonder if it isn't bone rather than ivory.

Yes David, you are probably correct as there seems to be a repair (cap) on the top part.
Shayde, if you can free the hilt, please show us the pesi hole for checking its condition (pitting or not).
Regards

shayde78 · 16th April 2022, 11:12 PM

Thank you, Jean and David,

Below are the additional photos.

Additional details, the hulu is 1.5 ounces in weight
The blade with mendak is 8.5 ounces
In total, the entire assemblage is 16 inches (41cm).
It certainly has a hefty feel in the hand.

There appears to be an insert in the pesi hole. Wood, perhaps? I suspect you both would have a better idea what materials would be employed in such a construction.

I am always conservative in determining if something is bone or ivory. I assume bone, unless there is some definitive feature to suggest otherwise.

Thanks again!
-Rob

Jean · 17th April 2022, 08:55 AM

Thank you Rob. From the pics the hilt seems to be made from bone and the insert from wood indeed.

Sajen · 18th April 2022, 05:56 PM

Hello Rob,

The handle is from bone or deer antler. And I agree with Jean and David the holes are pure decorative.
Attached are a few Kojuk Mrenges hilts, the three on the left are ivory, the dark one is wood and the right bone or antler.

Regards,
Detlef

shayde78 · 22nd April 2022, 01:18 AM

Thank you Jean, David, and Detlef!

Makes sense that a wood insert would be necessary if the marrow cavity of the bone was larger than the pesi. Thank you for teaching me this detail as it seems it would be a sure sign of bone being the material.

As always, I appreciate you generously sharing your knowledge.

-Rob

PS: Beautiful collection of hulu, Detlef!

David · 23rd April 2022, 05:59 PM

Here is another example of a Kojuk Mrenges hilt in my collection.

A. G. Maisey · 24th April 2022, 12:54 AM

Here are a few more Khojuk Marenges hilts. I'm not sure that all would qualify as this hilt style, I think they all do, but I'm not certain because I have not checked against references, maybe there are a few that do not make the basket.

From memory, I think the name means something like a particular type of bird (a kujhuk) quivering in fear because it has been trapped.

16th April 2022, 11:12 PM	#2
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Thank you, Jean and David, Below are the additional photos. Additional details, the hulu is 1.5 ounces in weight The blade with mendak is 8.5 ounces In total, the entire assemblage is 16 inches (41cm). It certainly has a hefty feel in the hand. There appears to be an insert in the pesi hole. Wood, perhaps? I suspect you both would have a better idea what materials would be employed in such a construction. I am always conservative in determining if something is bone or ivory. I assume bone, unless there is some definitive feature to suggest otherwise. Thanks again! -Rob Attached Images

18th April 2022, 05:56 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello Rob, The handle is from bone or deer antler. And I agree with Jean and David the holes are pure decorative. Attached are a few Kojuk Mrenges hilts, the three on the left are ivory, the dark one is wood and the right bone or antler. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

22nd April 2022, 01:18 AM	#5
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Thank you Jean, David, and Detlef! Makes sense that a wood insert would be necessary if the marrow cavity of the bone was larger than the pesi. Thank you for teaching me this detail as it seems it would be a sure sign of bone being the material. As always, I appreciate you generously sharing your knowledge. -Rob PS: Beautiful collection of hulu, Detlef! Last edited by shayde78; 22nd April 2022 at 01:20 AM. Reason: Added postscript

23rd April 2022, 05:59 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Here is another example of a Kojuk Mrenges hilt in my collection. Attached Images

24th April 2022, 12:54 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Here are a few more Khojuk Marenges hilts. I'm not sure that all would qualify as this hilt style, I think they all do, but I'm not certain because I have not checked against references, maybe there are a few that do not make the basket. From memory, I think the name means something like a particular type of bird (a kujhuk) quivering in fear because it has been trapped. Attached Images

17th April 2022, 08:55 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Thank you Rob. From the pics the hilt seems to be made from bone and the insert from wood indeed.