large old sword with strange hilt ( crescent shape guard ?)

francantolin · 2nd April 2022, 07:11 AM

Nice sword !

The blade seems clearly earlier than the hilt.

It reminds me a pallash sword I have with an early european blade with a Passau wolf mounted on a 19th-20th nielled hilt and scabbard
( an old post, I will write the link)

The hilt work ( with niello on the circle ? ) and the shape make me think about Russian origin,
the curved/bent end of hilt remind me tatar swords,
just change the crescent guard with crossguard...

or maybe hungarian origin, a ceremonial/ gala sword
sadly without scabbard for see all craftmen work...

for the ''horns'' at the tips, it reminds me a too a ram but maybe a dragon shape with horns ( like William Blake's Red Great Dragon..)

francantolin · 2nd April 2022, 09:20 AM

my sword with the Passau wolf, sure a straight model,
just for show the mix with old blades and later mounts...

your blade, with his european type engravings and his ottoman-indian yelman influence can maybe be as old as mine ( saw really old karabela's blade like that... )

and picture of blake's red dragon..

a dragon order/ Societas Draconistarum sword ?

Kind regards

BBking · 2nd April 2022, 04:06 PM

Hello, Thank you for the messages.

I don't know if it's niello, the black parts seemed goldened before..
eastern european must be the origin but where exactly ?

Francantolin, Thank's a lot about russian or hungarian origin,
it can be a dragon claw with his scales... Dracul sword

I found this Magnate sword who has ''the same '' pommel inserts with stones and foliage decorations on the hilt.

For the small stones, only two more, cf picture of the pommel,
it was not possible to see it , it was all dirty, and it is battered but I cleaned with a toothpic and put a torch and red light came...Alleluiah !! ( no offense )

Fernando, don't know if it is better to move it in the european forum ?

francantolin · 3rd April 2022, 10:52 AM

You're welcome !
Really nice and interesting pommel !!
if it's silver, you can try to open the gem settings without damage it.

I found an hungarian 17th-18th century sword with almost the same multi fullered blade,
with yelman and one fuller going till the tip
a local habit ( or this one was a little shortened too ? )
Have a nice day !

PS: THIS IS NOT A PANABAS

fernando · 6th April 2022, 04:28 PM

Moving topic to the European Forum, as per author's request.

BBking · 6th April 2022, 06:10 PM

Thank you Fernando !!!

I will post better pictures of the blade if I can !

BBking · 6th April 2022, 06:39 PM

Hussar or Pandour engravings ?
sharp old blade...
Kind regards

fernando · 6th April 2022, 08:38 PM

I figure that it will take a highly skilled eye to discern what those faded engravings represent.

2nd April 2022, 09:20 AM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	my sword with the Passau wolf, sure a straight model, just for show the mix with old blades and later mounts... your blade, with his european type engravings and his ottoman-indian yelman influence can maybe be as old as mine ( saw really old karabela's blade like that... ) and picture of blake's red dragon.. a dragon order/ Societas Draconistarum sword ? Kind regards Attached Images

2nd April 2022, 04:06 PM	#3
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Hello, Thank you for the messages. I don't know if it's niello, the black parts seemed goldened before.. eastern european must be the origin but where exactly ? Francantolin, Thank's a lot about russian or hungarian origin, it can be a dragon claw with his scales... Dracul sword I found this Magnate sword who has ''the same '' pommel inserts with stones and foliage decorations on the hilt. For the small stones, only two more, cf picture of the pommel, it was not possible to see it , it was all dirty, and it is battered but I cleaned with a toothpic and put a torch and red light came...Alleluiah !! ( no offense ) Fernando, don't know if it is better to move it in the european forum ? Attached Images

3rd April 2022, 10:52 AM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	You're welcome ! Really nice and interesting pommel !! if it's silver, you can try to open the gem settings without damage it. I found an hungarian 17th-18th century sword with almost the same multi fullered blade, with yelman and one fuller going till the tip a local habit ( or this one was a little shortened too ? ) Have a nice day ! PS: THIS IS NOT A PANABAS Attached Images

6th April 2022, 06:39 PM	#7
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Hussar or Pandour engravings ? sharp old blade... Kind regards Attached Images

2nd April 2022, 07:11 AM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Nice sword ! The blade seems clearly earlier than the hilt. It reminds me a pallash sword I have with an early european blade with a Passau wolf mounted on a 19th-20th nielled hilt and scabbard ( an old post, I will write the link) The hilt work ( with niello on the circle ? ) and the shape make me think about Russian origin, the curved/bent end of hilt remind me tatar swords, just change the crescent guard with crossguard... or maybe hungarian origin, a ceremonial/ gala sword sadly without scabbard for see all craftmen work... for the ''horns'' at the tips, it reminds me a too a ram but maybe a dragon shape with horns ( like William Blake's Red Great Dragon..)

6th April 2022, 04:28 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Moving topic to the European Forum, as per author's request.

6th April 2022, 06:10 PM	#6
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Thank you Fernando !!! I will post better pictures of the blade if I can !

6th April 2022, 08:38 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I figure that it will take a highly skilled eye to discern what those faded engravings represent.