Canons

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 07:59 PM

Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 08:06 PM

Manufacturer?

adrian · 15th January 2022, 12:20 AM

I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy.

I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/

fernando · 15th January 2022, 09:58 AM

Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail

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No offense but, have you tried elementary tests like introducing a stick into the barrel and check it it goes through all the way down to the touch hole ?

df1967 · 15th January 2022, 12:06 PM

Yes they are open till the touch whole as it should be…no offens at all!

CSinTX · 15th January 2022, 12:23 PM

Better pictures of each touch hole? How do they compare? If they were shot very much, the touch holes wear down.

Also pics of the muzzles?

adrian · 15th January 2022, 07:48 PM

Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail

At only 65cm long & about 35mm bore these are of correct size for swivel guns & although some swivel guns had an integral 'tail', or 'tiller' many did not and the tiller was either a separate item attached to the cascabel or incorporated into the swivel 'yoke' mounting.

Although it won't make a lot of difference it would be helpful to confirm if the measurement provided is overall (face of muzzle to rear of cascabel) or as was officially done (face of muzzle to base ring) ?
I am assuming it is overall.

14th January 2022, 08:06 PM	#2
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Manufacturer? Attached Images

15th January 2022, 12:20 AM	#3
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy. I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/ Last edited by adrian; 15th January 2022 at 12:33 AM.

14th January 2022, 07:59 PM	#1
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….

15th January 2022, 09:58 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail . No offense but, have you tried elementary tests like introducing a stick into the barrel and check it it goes through all the way down to the touch hole ?

15th January 2022, 12:06 PM	#5
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Yes they are open till the touch whole as it should be…no offens at all!

15th January 2022, 12:23 PM	#6
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	Better pictures of each touch hole? How do they compare? If they were shot very much, the touch holes wear down. Also pics of the muzzles?

15th January 2022, 07:48 PM	#7
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail At only 65cm long & about 35mm bore these are of correct size for swivel guns & although some swivel guns had an integral 'tail', or 'tiller' many did not and the tiller was either a separate item attached to the cascabel or incorporated into the swivel 'yoke' mounting. Although it won't make a lot of difference it would be helpful to confirm if the measurement provided is overall (face of muzzle to rear of cascabel) or as was officially done (face of muzzle to base ring) ? I am assuming it is overall.