Canons

Richard G · 13th January 2022, 01:34 PM

This is probably another statement of the bl**ding obvious, but they have a naval\maritime look about them.
Regards
Richard
PS. and not very well cast.

df1967 · 13th January 2022, 02:36 PM

This was also my thought, even when I got them from a castle nearby in south Germany….

kronckew · 13th January 2022, 07:17 PM

The join between the barrel and the trunnions looks a lot like a corroded arc welding bead, I'd think a mould pattern would have a smoother transition. I don't think Heinrich VIII had any arc-welders.

adrian · 14th January 2022, 07:45 PM

I have been involved, directly and indirectly, in a number of restorations some of which have included new trunnions and the guns that are subject of this post do not appear to have welded on trunnions.

Below are photos:

Showing a gun with its original trunnions - virtually everything about which appears identical to the subject guns.

Showing a gun having new trunnions welded on - evidence of such a weld & its 'clean up' are virtually impossible to disguise against close inspection.

Showing a completed gun that has new trunnions & chase. At a distance the trunnions appear okay while the new chase is easily detected due to its lack of surface corrosion.

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 07:59 PM

Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 08:06 PM

Manufacturer?

adrian · 15th January 2022, 12:20 AM

I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy.

I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/

14th January 2022, 07:45 PM	#4
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	I have been involved, directly and indirectly, in a number of restorations some of which have included new trunnions and the guns that are subject of this post do not appear to have welded on trunnions. Below are photos: Showing a gun with its original trunnions - virtually everything about which appears identical to the subject guns. Showing a gun having new trunnions welded on - evidence of such a weld & its 'clean up' are virtually impossible to disguise against close inspection. Showing a completed gun that has new trunnions & chase. At a distance the trunnions appear okay while the new chase is easily detected due to its lack of surface corrosion. Attached Images

14th January 2022, 08:06 PM	#6
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Manufacturer? Attached Images

15th January 2022, 12:20 AM	#7
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy. I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/ Last edited by adrian; 15th January 2022 at 12:33 AM.

13th January 2022, 01:34 PM	#1
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 411	This is probably another statement of the bl**ding obvious, but they have a naval\maritime look about them. Regards Richard PS. and not very well cast.

13th January 2022, 02:36 PM	#2
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	This was also my thought, even when I got them from a castle nearby in south Germany….

13th January 2022, 07:17 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	The join between the barrel and the trunnions looks a lot like a corroded arc welding bead, I'd think a mould pattern would have a smoother transition. I don't think Heinrich VIII had any arc-welders.

14th January 2022, 07:59 PM	#5
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….