Saifs

dakary · 9th January 2022, 07:18 PM

Thanks for that!

Yes, the terminology seems to be pretty muddy! I appreciate the clarification. By your terminology, I would say that what I am looking for is an Arabic (or Syrian) shamshir - or possibly a Persian one. I'm not sure how much variation there is within these, but I'd like it to be something that is appropriate in the Gulf region. I've seen plenty of Indian and Turkish (between these, I'd prefer Turkish), but very lacking in Syrian, Arabian, and Persian. I'm not even sure where to look. It is possible that I'll be back over there at some point (although it isn't up to me nor does it look probable), but even then, I wouldn't know where to look. The stuff around the souqs was stuff made in China or India (and sometimes locally modified/decorated) and stainless steel for use in sword dances. That's not what I'm after, of course. I'm also not looking for an antique. Something new (but the older the style, the better), functional, high quality but not ornate, and preferably by a local(ish) smith. I have no idea if there is such a thing - I'm being pretty specific.

Battara · 9th January 2022, 07:27 PM

Here is my saif. It was probably made in Hyderabad India and for the Yemeni market.

dakary · 9th January 2022, 08:07 PM

I do have to add that those Yemini hilts and pommels are really attractive to me too. I think Yemini arms are really nice. I like their jambiyas also. I tried to find one when I was in the Gulf but I just didn't have an eye that would allow me to pick out something worth getting and I wimped out. I probably should have just taken a plunge and gotten something.

ariel · 10th January 2022, 03:01 AM

sorry

dakary · 11th January 2022, 07:51 PM

Battara, that is not an antique, is it? If it isn't, could share where you acquired it from? Thanks!

Battara · 12th January 2022, 12:06 AM

Oh it is antique and even has a pattern welded blade.

Got it in an online auction.

dakary · 1st February 2022, 07:15 PM

I have another set of related questions (although I am still looking for a good production arab/syrian/persian shamshir/saif and would appreciate any help with that, although there doesn't seem any forthcoming...).

I noticed some S shaped guards on some antiques while I was in the Gulf. They seem to be primarily on Turkish shamshirs though. Was this decorative, or functional? When did they decide to do this (if not from the beginning)? Why is it rarer than straight guards?

Thanks!

9th January 2022, 07:27 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Here is my saif. It was probably made in Hyderabad India and for the Yemeni market. Attached Images

10th January 2022, 03:01 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	sorry Last edited by ariel; 10th January 2022 at 06:07 AM. Reason: Wrong address.

9th January 2022, 07:18 PM	#1
dakary Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 26	Thanks for that! Yes, the terminology seems to be pretty muddy! I appreciate the clarification. By your terminology, I would say that what I am looking for is an Arabic (or Syrian) shamshir - or possibly a Persian one. I'm not sure how much variation there is within these, but I'd like it to be something that is appropriate in the Gulf region. I've seen plenty of Indian and Turkish (between these, I'd prefer Turkish), but very lacking in Syrian, Arabian, and Persian. I'm not even sure where to look. It is possible that I'll be back over there at some point (although it isn't up to me nor does it look probable), but even then, I wouldn't know where to look. The stuff around the souqs was stuff made in China or India (and sometimes locally modified/decorated) and stainless steel for use in sword dances. That's not what I'm after, of course. I'm also not looking for an antique. Something new (but the older the style, the better), functional, high quality but not ornate, and preferably by a local(ish) smith. I have no idea if there is such a thing - I'm being pretty specific.

9th January 2022, 08:07 PM	#3
dakary Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 26	I do have to add that those Yemini hilts and pommels are really attractive to me too. I think Yemini arms are really nice. I like their jambiyas also. I tried to find one when I was in the Gulf but I just didn't have an eye that would allow me to pick out something worth getting and I wimped out. I probably should have just taken a plunge and gotten something.

11th January 2022, 07:51 PM	#5
dakary Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 26	Battara, that is not an antique, is it? If it isn't, could share where you acquired it from? Thanks!

12th January 2022, 12:06 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Oh it is antique and even has a pattern welded blade. Got it in an online auction.

1st February 2022, 07:15 PM	#7
dakary Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 26	I have another set of related questions (although I am still looking for a good production arab/syrian/persian shamshir/saif and would appreciate any help with that, although there doesn't seem any forthcoming...). I noticed some S shaped guards on some antiques while I was in the Gulf. They seem to be primarily on Turkish shamshirs though. Was this decorative, or functional? When did they decide to do this (if not from the beginning)? Why is it rarer than straight guards? Thanks!