National Museum of Finland. Helsinki. A humble sword

Elmereya · 20th December 2021, 06:39 PM

good afternoon, I came across such a fragment on one of the forums in the archive, a find from the 90s from the river, it is interesting that the crosshair is iron, and the pommel is bronze, it seems to be of the Baltic Curonian type, or it just looks like

midelburgo · 23rd December 2021, 03:54 PM

They remember me of the swords from Xth century Spanish "Beatos" comentaries to the Apocalipsis.

Ada Bruhm de Hoffmeyer made a recopilation of these swords images in his first volume of The Sword in Spain. I will try to make a shot later.

Of course vikings attacked both, christians (Santiago) and muslims (Seville). So they fit to the idea of apocalyptic raiders.
On the other hand monks just copied previous codex copies, they never saw the real thing.

Elmereya · 23rd December 2021, 07:12 PM

Yes, indeed, local local regional variations are surprisingly diverse, although they mostly fit into well-known typologies, you wrote and showed this in a very unusual and interesting form, I really liked it, thank you

midelburgo · 24th December 2021, 01:13 AM

From Ada Bruhm-Hoffmeyer Arms and Armour in Spain, vol I.

Elmereya · 24th December 2021, 06:10 AM

good afternoon, thanks a lot, really.
and in spite of the schematic conventionality of the images, we still see many recognizable types, it is catchy.
Sincerely .

bkwinter · 10th January 2022, 01:48 AM

To me, this looks rather like a type Z (Petersen typology). See p. 261 of Marks of Fire, Value, and Faith. This would be a late viking age sword.

Do you have the KM number for the sword? We might be able to find out more about it.

20th December 2021, 06:39 PM	#1
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	good afternoon, I came across such a fragment on one of the forums in the archive, a find from the 90s from the river, it is interesting that the crosshair is iron, and the pommel is bronze, it seems to be of the Baltic Curonian type, or it just looks like Attached Images

23rd December 2021, 03:54 PM	#2
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 263	They remember me of the swords from Xth century Spanish "Beatos" comentaries to the Apocalipsis. Ada Bruhm de Hoffmeyer made a recopilation of these swords images in his first volume of The Sword in Spain. I will try to make a shot later. Of course vikings attacked both, christians (Santiago) and muslims (Seville). So they fit to the idea of apocalyptic raiders. On the other hand monks just copied previous codex copies, they never saw the real thing. Attached Images

24th December 2021, 01:13 AM	#4
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 263	From Ada Bruhm-Hoffmeyer Arms and Armour in Spain, vol I. Attached Images

23rd December 2021, 07:12 PM	#3
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	Yes, indeed, local local regional variations are surprisingly diverse, although they mostly fit into well-known typologies, you wrote and showed this in a very unusual and interesting form, I really liked it, thank you

24th December 2021, 06:10 AM	#5
Elmereya Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 70	good afternoon, thanks a lot, really. and in spite of the schematic conventionality of the images, we still see many recognizable types, it is catchy. Sincerely .

10th January 2022, 01:48 AM	#6
bkwinter Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 1	To me, this looks rather like a type Z (Petersen typology). See p. 261 of Marks of Fire, Value, and Faith. This would be a late viking age sword. Do you have the KM number for the sword? We might be able to find out more about it.