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18th November 2021, 07:27 PM
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chikeru / tjikeroeh....
I do see quite a lot of threads from 2005 to 2015 some interesting, some guessing and some well...   just managed to lay my hands on 2 of them: a small and a big one First I was advised on literature: Keris Jawa (Haryoguritno) de Kris I, (Tammens), Traditional weapons from the Indonesian Archipelago (van Zonneveld), Keris Indonesia, Keris Bali (Neka) en Tafsir Keris (Bpk Junus) Tjikeroeh ( since 1972 Cikeruh in modern Bahasa Indonesia) is a dessa east of Bandung, Java where around the turn of the 20th century in the period between 1890 to 1920 production of weapons took place ,specially cold weapons. Tjikeroeh at that time, just like Ttjipatjing (Cipacin) which is closeby, famous for its production of, not only local but also western European arms like sabers, knives and daggers. A huge misunderstanding is the fact that they only produced for local KNIL ( Dutch Indies Army) or as substitute for local Dutch residents working for the railraod, government or even tourists. A huge varity from working knives like simple bado to a fancy golok, parang, european klewang and (bowie-like) knives and dagger, with handles from bone, horn or wood. Scabbard mostly (dark) wood, sometimes with copper, nicely decorated and place of manufatoring and date engraved. ( Tjikeroeh or variances like TJKRH, TJIKE, TJIKR, TJKR) Regardless the “export nature” many were very good sword, due to the use of spring steel ! Last edited by gp; 18th November 2021 at 07:49 PM. |
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18th November 2021, 07:34 PM
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hereby my small one, a so called hartsvanger or Hirschfänger
Totale length 26.5 cm incl scabbard knife 23.5 cm blade 14.5 cm lang 2 cm wide grip 9.5 cm ferrule 1.5cm pommel 1.5 cm bone grip 6 cm copper crossguard 6 cm scallop shell 3 cm 1.3 narrow locket 1 cm |
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18th November 2021, 07:35 PM
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some more
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18th November 2021, 07:41 PM
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now the bigger one
49 total, scabbard 38 cm, chape 6 cm, locket 4 cm scallop shell 4 cm 3 narrow bone grip 7.5 cm pommel 2 cm knife 42 cm blade 30.5 cm with a width of 3- 2.5 - 4 cm drawing on the blade : 7.5 and 6 cm, reverse side 8 en 7 cm |
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18th November 2021, 07:46 PM
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19th November 2021, 08:22 AM
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Nice example Micheal,
The Tjikeroeh swords were made around 1870-1920 and were often made for KNIL soldiers as private purchase. These are in fact the first mass produced swords/knives from West Java. Earlier examples were often made in the region Tjiandjoer, nearby all near Bandung, but were different in shape and decoration. The decoration pattern on yours is commonly seen on most Tjikeroe (Cikeruh) swords. They had no military use, but were brought back to the Netherlands as reminder of their time in the Dutch East Indies. These swords were not made for the East India company. I have seen a 19th century example which was marked VOC and dated 1698, but it was actually made in the 1840-1850's. It was probably ment as a tribute or perhaps talismanic. Most of these swords are inspired by the German and Dutch 'hirshfanger' or the KNIL regulated Klewang models. |
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19th November 2021, 10:40 AM
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19th November 2021, 06:43 PM
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22nd November 2021, 11:54 AM
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Speaking of goloks from Tjikeroeh, I would like to know if any expert on this type of object can give me some information on the golok of which I am attaching some photos:
it is a knife with a very corroded blade (deep rust then eliminated? Or what else?) But the thing that intrigues me is the writing in gold letters on one side. It doesn't read very well from the photo, but it says "K_GJELLERUP". The only reference I was able to find online is to Karl Adolph Gjellerup, Danish poet and Nobel laureate (1857-1919). But it seems rather strange to me that a Danish poet owns a golok and makes us write his name on the blade ... Any suggestions? Greetings to everyone. Duccio |
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22nd November 2021, 12:07 PM
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22nd November 2021, 02:06 PM
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Thank you so much! Duccio |
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22nd November 2021, 09:27 PM
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Hello Duccio,
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The corrosion seems consistent with the blade being wrapped for storage and then sitting with quite a bit of moisture for extended periods. I also believe Gustav pointed to the likely owner. Let me know if you decide to part with this piece, please! Regards, Kai |
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24th November 2021, 05:19 PM
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you are the first on the list! When I decide to part with it, I'll warn you first, rest assured. But you have to take away a curiosity: why are you interested in a knife that, it seems to me, is not very valuable, indeed, it seems to me rather ruined? Greetings. Duccio |
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