Bicol Ginunting

[Sajen]

Nice and rare sword, any clue or guess how old it is?

Here are two from my collection, both are antique and very thick at spine, near the handle, 12 and 11,5 mm.

Regards,
Detlef

[tanaruz]

Hello Sir,

The son of the former owner is around 45 years of age. The father (original owner), passed at age 75. So, if the father had this blade commissioned when he was 20 years old (assuming), he was 55 when he passed. The age of the son is 45 so this blade must be in the minimum of 100 years old.

But if the father had this at a much younger age of 20, then it hit the 100+ years mark.

Kind regards

Yves

[tanaruz]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

Hello Sir,

The son of the former owner is around 45 years of age. The father (original owner), passed at age 75. So, if the father had this blade commissioned when he was 20 years old (assuming), he was 55 when he passed. The age of the son is 45 so this blade must be in the minimum of 100 years old.

But if the father had this at a much younger age of 20, then it hit the 100+ years mark.

Kind regards

Yves

Hello again,

According to a local bladesmith who does Bicol blades- these two are not Bicol blades. In my opinion (only mine)- they could be Aklan tenegre/tinegre talibongs.

Regards

Yves

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

According to a local bladesmith who does Bicol blades- these two are not Bicol blades. In my opinion (only mine)- they could be Aklan tenegre/tinegre talibongs.

Hello Yves,

I am a little bit confused, about which two blades you are speaking here?

Regards,
Detlef

[tanaruz]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

I am a little bit confused, about which two blades you are speaking here?

Regards,
Detlef

Hello,

The ones you're posted ( 2 blades and 3 pommels pictures). I've asked a long-time Bicol bladesmith and they're not from Bicol.

Regards

Yves

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tanaruz

The ones you're posted ( 2 blades and 3 pommels pictures). I've asked a long-time Bicol bladesmith and they're not from Bicol.

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Aside from Bicol, there are two other places which may have made the pieces you posted- Masbate and Samar. They have been known to make figurals similar to Bicol's (and even have the minasbad blade profile). So there's the possibility that yours may have come from those areas.

Yves, I don't think your blade is 100+ years old. The sure 100+ years Bicol blades would be those with D-guards and old-school figurals. If basing on the samples gathered by the minasbad researcher / trader known as The Minasbad Shop, your sample would be around WW2 era.

[tanaruz]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Yves,

What do you see by yourself? Compare your blade with my two blades, do you see the same blade shape? Do you don't see the same pommel style? Same scabbard style?

I personally would call all three blades as binakla from the Bicol region, see this very informative thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bicol

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Sir,

I've done some searching and queries. I may have a solid answer to the question on hand. But I need you to send me some pics of the 'BARAT' or the TANG RIVET. This (and some other aspects of the blade), according to a very knowledeable person on Bicol blades would determine the answer to our questions.

The 'barat' is the rivet at the tip of the hilt.

Regards

Yves