what is this ?

[gp]

thank you gents! very interesting info which made me more than curious....
I found also mentioning that this type of pchak was used by not only Uzbeks but also Uigurs.
An interesting site with very very beautiful pchaks and also containing very useful info :
https://biserochek.ru/en/krasota/vid...-pchakov-nozh/

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by gp

thank you gents! very interesting info which made me more than curious....
I found also mentioning that this type of pchak was used by not only Uzbeks but also Uigurs.
An interesting site with very very beautiful pchaks and also containing very useful info :
https://biserochek.ru/en/krasota/vid...-pchakov-nozh/

The link contains modern knives that have nothing to do with the samples of knives of the late 19th - early 20th century...

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by mahratt

The link contains modern knives that have nothing to do with the samples of knives of the late 19th - early 20th century...

Well, I think that some of the modern knives are definitely inspired by the antique ones. Especially if you scroll down the page you may see some modern knives very similar to the old ones.

Also the site provides some interesting information about the anatomy and decoration of the knives.

[Ren Ren]

Unfortunately, the tradition of making universal belt knives is almost lost. Today more than 90% of knives are kitchen and table models.
Until recently, the tradition was alive in East Turkestan, but the Chinese authorities are killing it before our very eyes.

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

Unfortunately, the tradition of making universal belt knives is almost lost. Today more than 90% of knives are kitchen and table models.
Until recently, the tradition was alive in East Turkestan, but the Chinese authorities are killing it before our very eyes.

yeah uyghurs untill recently made some good belt knives.. theres even a youtube video of a knife maker making the iron tang and fire welding it to the highcarbon blade. m as was tradition before russian steel became more common in the late 19th century.. only bichaks from the uyghurs have those steel blades with the blade scarfed into it. uzbek too.. i got ess the chinese authorities killed sword making first as uyghurs made nice shamshir up untill the 1950s.. there was article i found of a kazakh smith still able to make shamshir in the 1990s living among the uyghurs.. in uzbekistan and tajikistan where the same knives are made the process is much less traditional.. even 60 years ago

[gp]

in the pchak foto placed by mahratt, I notices a stamp or etching which portrays a leaf.

This leaf I have seen before as :

- a stamp on some Ottoman bichaqs and kamas (approx. pre 1870)
- a piece of Turkish art : a dried leaf of exact the same type on which a Mevlana Derwish has been painted being in the middle of performing a Zikr.

Never paid that much attention to it, but as this is the 3rd time I see this leaf, would you know its significance ?

FYI: I couldn't find anything in the Sufi literature ...

[gp]

some more info I found:

https://uofa.ru/en/nozh-pchak-dlya-c...uchnoi-raboty/

and an older one in this forum:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25618

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=792

[gp]

Originally Posted by mahratt

The link contains modern knives that have nothing to do with the samples of knives of the late 19th - early 20th century...

it is actually very unfortunately the fate of many traditions and craftsmanship...

the reason why I liked the link is the fact it gave me some information as I was total ignorant of ( the beauty of) cold weapons from that region, although I have quite some knowledge on the region's history and architectural masterpieces.
And looking at the design of tiles of some historic building, one can recognize that quality has also been transferred into some of the ornaments of the cold weapons.