IDENTIFICACION

Dmitry · 15th April 2021, 07:33 PM

Do you see the inside of the muzzle on these photos? The answer is NO.
I'm asking a person who ostensibly has access to the piece in question. Do you have access to this revolver?

fernando · 15th April 2021, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

Do you see the inside of the muzzle on these photos? The answer is NO.
I'm asking a person who ostensibly has access to the piece in question. Do you have access to this revolver?

What could be wrong with you, Dmitry ... having a bad day ? I am confused with your statement over "a person who is ostensibly in access to the piece in question". You might have noticed that what Fernando K uploaded was a PDF of a play gun in an auction ... which i copy/pasted for easier view.
Have a nice and safe weekend.

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Dmitry · 15th April 2021, 09:29 PM

I think everyone can see that the HH gun and the one in the museum are not the same.
Fernando K, is the muzzle bored all the way through?

fernando · 16th April 2021, 11:10 AM

Two things bring my attention in this so called ship revolver.
- The weight; why would a gun of small dimensions weigh 3,850 grams ? This is the weighjt of some rifles.
-The marks; would the double crowned U and the cylinder inscription be those for blanks, as the caption claims to be? Would the 2 gr stand for 2 grams of gunpowder ?

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corrado26 · 16th April 2021, 11:43 AM

The "U" under a crown is the German blackpowder proofmark used since 1891 until 1939. 2gNGP = 2g Neues Gewehr Pulver = New Gun Powder

fernando · 16th April 2021, 12:41 PM

Great info, Udo

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Dmitry · 29th April 2021, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

The "U" under a crown is the German blackpowder proofmark used since 1891 until 1939. 2gNGP = 2g Neues Gewehr Pulver = New Gun Powder

If Neues refers to smokeless gunpowder, then 2 grams is a substantial amount.
2 grams is 31 grains. For reference, a 9 mm Luger round takes 5 grains of smokeless powder.
I am still curious about this revolver. There are no sights on any of these examples. There appears to be no provision for mounting it on a stock or stabilizing it somehow. The trigger is for distance pulling. A possibility is a burglar alarm, triggered by opening of doors or windows. 20 discharges is a lot though, for any burglar alarm.
If this was, as HH describes it, a gun for some kind of naval theatrics, it would've been designed to look like a cannon, not a giant revolver.

corrado26 · 30th April 2021, 08:21 AM

If you look at the photo, there is behind de 2g NGP an M/71, so this was certainly not a nitro based powder but always still black powder. First nitro cartidges in Germany came in 1888 with the infantry rifle M/88.

16th April 2021, 11:10 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Two things bring my attention in this so called ship revolver. - The weight; why would a gun of small dimensions weigh 3,850 grams ? This is the weighjt of some rifles. -The marks; would the double crowned U and the cylinder inscription be those for blanks, as the caption claims to be? Would the 2 gr stand for 2 grams of gunpowder ? . Attached Images

15th April 2021, 07:33 PM	#1
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Do you see the inside of the muzzle on these photos? The answer is NO. I'm asking a person who ostensibly has access to the piece in question. Do you have access to this revolver?

15th April 2021, 09:29 PM	#3
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I think everyone can see that the HH gun and the one in the museum are not the same. Fernando K, is the muzzle bored all the way through?

16th April 2021, 11:43 AM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	The "U" under a crown is the German blackpowder proofmark used since 1891 until 1939. 2gNGP = 2g Neues Gewehr Pulver = New Gun Powder

16th April 2021, 12:41 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great info, Udo .

30th April 2021, 08:21 AM	#8
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	If you look at the photo, there is behind de 2g NGP an M/71, so this was certainly not a nitro based powder but always still black powder. First nitro cartidges in Germany came in 1888 with the infantry rifle M/88.