Leather bandolier for matchlock gun

eftihis · 8th March 2021, 04:41 PM

A similar set, was sold some years ago from Italy with the following description: A Musketeer's bandoleer dating: 17th Century provenance: Europe Leather belt with brass buckle; provided with a leather purse and eleven wooden flasks for powder doses, held together with leather straps. Small defects and damages. dimensions: length circa 97 cm.

Kubur · 8th March 2021, 05:23 PM

Stu is 100% right
and it's not the first time that I see an Afghan item listed as medieval or European renaissance.
Please, look at mine.

mahratt · 8th March 2021, 05:30 PM

I agree with the participants who wrote that this belt is from Afghanistan.

eftihis · 8th March 2021, 05:47 PM

Hi Kubur, regarding yours, i have to contribute the following! However, the style of the containers on teh belt we discuss is quite different!

kahnjar1 · 8th March 2021, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eftihis

Hi Kubur, regarding yours, i have to contribute the following! However, the style of the containers on teh belt we discuss is quite different!

I agree that the style of the holders in Kubur's belt are different, however don't disregard that Afghanistan was (and still is) a Tribal land and that the bandoliers were hand made most likely by their original owners, so difference would be expected.
Stu

rickystl · 8th March 2021, 08:41 PM

Hello ALL

I think these belts are really interesting. Containers to carry pre-measured powder charges. With the lead balls and patches kept in a separate pouch.

To my view, the OP is definitely NOT European. Not really sure of it's origin.
And Post #4 looks very similar in design. Both being designed to carry the chargers in a downward position with the wool plugs positioned in the tips.

Post #5 and 7 shows chargers designed to be carried with their pour spouts in the upward position. Likely also with a similar wool type plugs.

Kuber's belt is definitely Afghan, with it's traditional open metal work on the pouches.

These could be used for either matchlocks, flintlocks, or percussion guns since they are only required to carry powder.

The OP's belt is not OP's belt is not Omani. They are designed different. Could still also be Afghan. Don't know. I've seen that particular tiny punch mark design on leather from this Region before. But can't recall. I don't have anything similar.

Congrats on a nice find. I'll see if I can locate where that punch marks are in my collection.

Rick

kino · 13th March 2021, 05:38 PM

Here’s one similar to post #7. The plugs look to be rolled cotton fabric, some have the leather lanyards still attached.

rickystl · 14th March 2021, 06:56 PM

Here is another one. Based on other similar styles, some believe this to be of Turkish origin. I honestly don't know. But it's function is the same as others above. It must have taken a long time to make these by hand.

Rick

8th March 2021, 04:41 PM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	A similar set, was sold some years ago from Italy with the following description: A Musketeer's bandoleer dating: 17th Century provenance: Europe Leather belt with brass buckle; provided with a leather purse and eleven wooden flasks for powder doses, held together with leather straps. Small defects and damages. dimensions: length circa 97 cm. Attached Images

8th March 2021, 05:23 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Stu is 100% right and it's not the first time that I see an Afghan item listed as medieval or European renaissance. Please, look at mine. Attached Images

14th March 2021, 06:56 PM	#8
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Here is another one. Based on other similar styles, some believe this to be of Turkish origin. I honestly don't know. But it's function is the same as others above. It must have taken a long time to make these by hand. Rick Attached Images

8th March 2021, 05:30 PM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I agree with the participants who wrote that this belt is from Afghanistan.

8th March 2021, 05:47 PM	#4
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hi Kubur, regarding yours, i have to contribute the following! However, the style of the containers on teh belt we discuss is quite different! Attached Images

8th March 2021, 08:41 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hello ALL I think these belts are really interesting. Containers to carry pre-measured powder charges. With the lead balls and patches kept in a separate pouch. To my view, the OP is definitely NOT European. Not really sure of it's origin. And Post #4 looks very similar in design. Both being designed to carry the chargers in a downward position with the wool plugs positioned in the tips. Post #5 and 7 shows chargers designed to be carried with their pour spouts in the upward position. Likely also with a similar wool type plugs. Kuber's belt is definitely Afghan, with it's traditional open metal work on the pouches. These could be used for either matchlocks, flintlocks, or percussion guns since they are only required to carry powder. The OP's belt is not OP's belt is not Omani. They are designed different. Could still also be Afghan. Don't know. I've seen that particular tiny punch mark design on leather from this Region before. But can't recall. I don't have anything similar. Congrats on a nice find. I'll see if I can locate where that punch marks are in my collection. Rick

13th March 2021, 05:38 PM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Here’s one similar to post #7. The plugs look to be rolled cotton fabric, some have the leather lanyards still attached. Attached Images