Flint lock by unknown maker S et S

corrado26 · 4th February 2021, 04:13 PM

This lock- the cock is as already stated a wrong replacement and should be a swanneck cock - is probably or eventually made by the Suhl gunmakers S et S, what I think could stand for Spangenberg & Spangenberg (Johann Gottfried 1722-1795 & Johann Wilhelm 1727-1783). The shape of the lockplate is typical for the first Prussian ordnance rifles introduced in 1744 made at Potsdam and as shows the lock in question perhaps at Suhl too.

SchildaBrit · 4th February 2021, 10:31 PM

Thanks Corrado for a very interesting suggestion. My photo wasn't very good, as one can't see that the pan is also facetted.

I find dozens of Spangenbergs (or should that be Spangeberge?) in Stöckel, but no mention of a Spangenberg & Spangenberg. Can you give me a source for that?

The resemblance to the lock on the Prussian "Jägerbüchse" is striking. And I posed the S et S question some time ago on a French forum, with zero suggestions in response, so it does indeed look as if this is a case of a German firm using a fashionable "upmarket" French style of naming.

corrado26 · 5th February 2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SchildaBrit

I find dozens of Spangenbergs (or should that be Spangeberge?) in Stöckel, but no mention of a Spangenberg & Spangenberg. Can you give me a source for that?

This "Spangenberg & Spangenberg" was nothing than a theory, you cannot find this combination in the New Stoeckel. I just looked for two Suhl gunmakers which could have been working together during the same time

4th February 2021, 04:13 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	This lock- the cock is as already stated a wrong replacement and should be a swanneck cock - is probably or eventually made by the Suhl gunmakers S et S, what I think could stand for Spangenberg & Spangenberg (Johann Gottfried 1722-1795 & Johann Wilhelm 1727-1783). The shape of the lockplate is typical for the first Prussian ordnance rifles introduced in 1744 made at Potsdam and as shows the lock in question perhaps at Suhl too. Attached Images

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SchildaBrit Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 33	Spangenberg et Spangenberg ? Thanks Corrado for a very interesting suggestion. My photo wasn't very good, as one can't see that the pan is also facetted. I find dozens of Spangenbergs (or should that be Spangeberge?) in Stöckel, but no mention of a Spangenberg & Spangenberg. Can you give me a source for that? The resemblance to the lock on the Prussian "Jägerbüchse" is striking. And I posed the S et S question some time ago on a French forum, with zero suggestions in response, so it does indeed look as if this is a case of a German firm using a fashionable "upmarket" French style of naming.