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Old 1st February 2021, 11:39 PM   #1
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Possible, too.
I have a link to a site of a german villa.
There you can find a statue of a Peri angel which also fits your motif.
http://eichinger.ch/eichifamilyhom/R...ermesVilla.htm
Ah...yes! A peri is from Persian mythology, so that makes much more sense. A form of benevolent jinn. Also, the wings are more consistent with the carving depicting peri. Well done
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Old 2nd February 2021, 06:42 AM   #2
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Indeed they appear to be Peri, but what about the two inscriptions?

It may be they shed more light on the subject.
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Old 2nd February 2021, 08:45 AM   #3
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Indeed they appear to be Peri, but what about the two inscriptions?

It may be they shed more light on the subject.
Unfortunately, the translation of the inscriptions will not help much:

"Oh Kind!" (usually an appeal to Allah). Year 1250 (1255?)
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Old 2nd February 2021, 09:34 AM   #4
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Unfortunately, the translation of the inscriptions will not help much:

"Oh Kind!" (usually an appeal to Allah). Year 1250 (1255?)
Thank you Mahratt!

To my eyes looks definitely like Qajar 1250/1834 (or less likely 1205/1790), but I wanted to hear first other opinions as I wasn't very confident in my Nasta'liq date reading competency.

Also the very aesthetical style of decorations appears to be right for that period.

Let us wait to see if my friend will find a fitting explanation for the carvings.

Meanwhile, it would also be nice to see a little more detail of the wootz pattern.

PS: I don't believe it is 1255 because it is a big difference between the supposedly 5 - ٥ and the 0 - ٠ in the carving.

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Old 2nd February 2021, 11:39 AM   #5
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Default wootz pattern.

[QUOTE=mariusgmioc]Thank you Mahratt!

To my eyes looks definitely like Qajar 1250/1834 (or less likely 1205/1790), but I wanted to hear first other opinions as I wasn't very confident in my Nasta'liq date reading competency.

Also the very aesthetical style of decorations appears to be right for that period.

Let us wait to see if my friend will find a fitting explanation for the carvings.

Meanwhile, it would also be nice to see a little more detail of the wootz pattern.

PS: I don't believe it is 1255 because it is a big difference between the supposedly 5 - ٥ and the 0 - ٠ in the carving.
[IMwootz pattern.
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Old 2nd February 2021, 02:07 PM   #6
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Yes, this is crystalline wootz pattern, rather typical for 19th century Persian blades.

So to me, everything in this dagger is consistent with the possible date of 1834. Also the scabbard appears to be the original.

Very, very nice piece!
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Old 2nd February 2021, 09:35 AM   #7
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Unfortunately, the translation of the inscriptions will not help much:

"Oh Kind!" (usually an appeal to Allah). Year 1250 (1255?)
Thanks Mahratt
1255 that would be = 1839
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