Frontier Arithmetic: The Afghan Jezail

kahnjar1 · 20th January 2021, 10:46 PM

Suggest you PM RICKYSTL. I know he has shot these (and is still with us!!.

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Stu

rickystl · 25th January 2021, 05:52 PM

Thanks Stu

Received a PM from Patrick.

Rick

SchildaBrit · 2nd April 2021, 11:17 AM

OK, it took a long time, thanks to Covid range restrictions etc.

But I did it.

See the new thread!

Napo7 · 13th May 2025, 02:53 PM

Hello everyone, I recently picked this one up, and out of curiosity after reading your messages, I decided to look at all the pieces one by one.
If anyone could tell me what they think, thank you.

Napo7 · 13th May 2025, 03:01 PM

Hello, how do I upload photos, please?
Thank you.

Lee · 14th May 2025, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napo7

how do I upload photos, please?
Thank you.

Please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13631

Napo7 · 14th May 2025, 12:22 PM

I did what you told me to but I can't make it work, but it may be because I'm using a phone since I don't have a computer. Could someone contact me so I send them the pictures to let them post it for me, thanks.

Jim McDougall · 15th May 2025, 05:23 AM

This is a great example of an original British EIC lock on a very old jezail!
The lock by John Fox Twigg, an English maker who moved to Piccadilly in 1776, the year on this lock, seems original and in accord with other examples of his guns found. This would have been from the Windus pattern musket (of 1771) which were likely in India with the EIC during the Anglo-Maratha war 1775-1782.
from there the original gun may have traveled north to Sindh at some point, with the British finally taking these regions in 1843. If I recall, it seems that components such as barrels etc.used in Afghan regions for jezails came from Sindh among other sources.

John Twigg died in 1790. While the placement and character of the EIC quartered heart with VEIC (United East India Company) with talismanic '4' atop the bale mark; date; and TWIGG in the same bold letter styling and serifs seen on other examples............are correct, it does seem the hardware in the lock has of course been reworked.

This is a perfect example of the kinds of jezails used well into the 20th century in the Khyber Pass and environs, so thank you so much for sharing it here Napo7 !!!

2nd April 2021, 11:17 AM	#3
SchildaBrit Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 33	Shooting an original Jezail rifle OK, it took a long time, thanks to Covid range restrictions etc. But I did it. See the new thread!

13th May 2025, 03:01 PM	#5
Napo7 Member Join Date: May 2025 Posts: 5	Help me please Hello, how do I upload photos, please? Thank you.

14th May 2025, 12:22 PM	#7
Napo7 Member Join Date: May 2025 Posts: 5	Photo I did what you told me to but I can't make it work, but it may be because I'm using a phone since I don't have a computer. Could someone contact me so I send them the pictures to let them post it for me, thanks. Attached Images

20th January 2021, 10:46 PM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	Suggest you PM RICKYSTL. I know he has shot these (and is still with us!!. ) Stu

25th January 2021, 05:52 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Thanks Stu Received a PM from Patrick. Rick

13th May 2025, 02:53 PM	#4
Napo7 Member Join Date: May 2025 Posts: 5	Hello everyone, I recently picked this one up, and out of curiosity after reading your messages, I decided to look at all the pieces one by one. If anyone could tell me what they think, thank you.

15th May 2025, 05:23 AM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,278	This is a great example of an original British EIC lock on a very old jezail! The lock by John Fox Twigg, an English maker who moved to Piccadilly in 1776, the year on this lock, seems original and in accord with other examples of his guns found. This would have been from the Windus pattern musket (of 1771) which were likely in India with the EIC during the Anglo-Maratha war 1775-1782. from there the original gun may have traveled north to Sindh at some point, with the British finally taking these regions in 1843. If I recall, it seems that components such as barrels etc.used in Afghan regions for jezails came from Sindh among other sources. John Twigg died in 1790. While the placement and character of the EIC quartered heart with VEIC (United East India Company) with talismanic '4' atop the bale mark; date; and TWIGG in the same bold letter styling and serifs seen on other examples............are correct, it does seem the hardware in the lock has of course been reworked. This is a perfect example of the kinds of jezails used well into the 20th century in the Khyber Pass and environs, so thank you so much for sharing it here Napo7 !!!