Help with translation - small pretty Kard

Battara · 16th December 2020, 11:14 PM

It could say "Made in China"

kwiatek · 19th December 2020, 10:57 AM

Neither the words nor the numbers make any sense to me in either Arabic, Persian or Turkish

mariusgmioc · 19th December 2020, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kwiatek

Neither the words nor the numbers make any sense to me in either Arabic, Persian or Turkish

Very interesting but not completely surprising. I assume it can be the case the maker was not very literate and wrote the inscription for decorative reasons.

Thank you Kwiatek!

Gonzoadler · 19th December 2020, 03:34 PM

Yes, many thanks Kwiatek.
And better a nonsense-inscription than "made in china"

Kubur · 19th December 2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kwiatek

Neither the words nor the numbers make any sense to me in either Arabic, Persian or Turkish

Are you sure that the three numerals separated by flowers are not a date? Missing the 1

kwiatek · 19th December 2020, 08:37 PM

Well, they are where you would expect the date to be on an inscription of this type and they could be conceivably be 2**7, but the middle digits do not resemble anything much and even if they did, taken as a whole this would not add up to anything that would make any sense in any of the calendars that we would be dealing with here. Added to the fact that the inscription itself does not appear to read properly, then I think we are talking about an inscription that has been copied by someone who did not understand what he was copying ...

Battara · 20th December 2020, 01:40 AM

Kwiatek, perhaps it is upside down:

Battara · 20th December 2020, 01:43 AM

Other thoughts:

1. it could be bad writing

2. could be totally talismanic

3. could it be in Bosnian instead of Turkish but using Arabic script?

kwiatek · 20th December 2020, 11:08 AM

Yes I had realized it was upside down.

I would be amazed if it was Bosnian, but I am prepared to be amazed if anyone can come up with a reading.

Could be talismanic, but you should still be able to read it or at least recognize what it is meant to be.

For sure it is bad hand-writing. Many artisans were illiterate, especially in the provinces. My suggestion is that this was copied from a text by an artisan who did not know what he was copying - there might just conceivably be the word الله or بالله („God“or „through God“) in there, though that is a long shot. Inscriptions on this type tend to be formulaic and the same ones come up again and again - someone may at some point recognize what text this was supposed to be, but at the moment it escapes me

20th December 2020, 01:40 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Kwiatek, perhaps it is upside down: Attached Images

16th December 2020, 11:14 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	It could say "Made in China"

19th December 2020, 10:57 AM	#2
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	Neither the words nor the numbers make any sense to me in either Arabic, Persian or Turkish

19th December 2020, 03:34 PM	#4
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	Yes, many thanks Kwiatek. And better a nonsense-inscription than "made in china"

19th December 2020, 08:37 PM	#6
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	Well, they are where you would expect the date to be on an inscription of this type and they could be conceivably be 2**7, but the middle digits do not resemble anything much and even if they did, taken as a whole this would not add up to anything that would make any sense in any of the calendars that we would be dealing with here. Added to the fact that the inscription itself does not appear to read properly, then I think we are talking about an inscription that has been copied by someone who did not understand what he was copying ...

20th December 2020, 01:43 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Other thoughts: 1. it could be bad writing 2. could be totally talismanic 3. could it be in Bosnian instead of Turkish but using Arabic script?

20th December 2020, 11:08 AM	#9
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	Yes I had realized it was upside down. I would be amazed if it was Bosnian, but I am prepared to be amazed if anyone can come up with a reading. Could be talismanic, but you should still be able to read it or at least recognize what it is meant to be. For sure it is bad hand-writing. Many artisans were illiterate, especially in the provinces. My suggestion is that this was copied from a text by an artisan who did not know what he was copying - there might just conceivably be the word الله or بالله („God“or „through God“) in there, though that is a long shot. Inscriptions on this type tend to be formulaic and the same ones come up again and again - someone may at some point recognize what text this was supposed to be, but at the moment it escapes me