Help with translation - small pretty Kard

Norman McCormick · 11th December 2020, 04:04 PM

Hi Kevin,
This is mine http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=ottoman+kard which as you can see is pretty similar. Unfortunately mine has lost the inscription and it will be interesting when you get a translation for yours. A nice piece.
Regards,
Norman.

mariusgmioc · 11th December 2020, 08:56 PM

Very nice Turkish Ottoman would be my guess, albeit it can be from the Balkans.

Also wootz in need of polishing and etching I suspect.

Gonzoadler · 11th December 2020, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Very nice Turkish Ottoman would be my guess, albeit it can be from the Balkans.

Also wootz in need of polishing and etching I suspect.

Hello,

thank you. Yes, you maybe right with the wootz. But there is always a danger of damage the koftgari, so I´m cautious with that. Also the pictures are not very good, here are some better. They show the wootz in a more flattering way:

mariusgmioc · 11th December 2020, 11:24 PM

From what I see in the photos, and that is not very much, it looks like Persian wootz to me. 19th century maybe, but the blade might be older.

Absolutely deserves a good polishing (to 2000 grit) then etching ( with Nital 4% for best results, but Ferric Chloride will also do the job).

Gonzoadler · 11th December 2020, 11:49 PM

Thanks for your tip, I will think about that. The wootz-structure is really hard to see.

Battara · 12th December 2020, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

From what I see in the photos, and that is not very much, it looks like Persian wootz to me.

I was thinking this was Turkish wootz. Persian wootz I thought was more distinctive than this.

mariusgmioc · 13th December 2020, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I was thinking this was Turkish wootz. Persian wootz I thought was more distinctive than this.

Now the structure is washed out because of wear. In some areas is completely worn out.

You can definitely be right but that will become only clearer after a new and proper etching of the blade.

When I said that it looks Persian to me, I based my assertion on the shape of the watering streaks (with rather long directional portions, somehow similar to the ones of the kard below).

Battara · 13th December 2020, 05:57 PM

Very true - could use another etching

11th December 2020, 04:04 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Hi Kevin, This is mine http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=ottoman+kard which as you can see is pretty similar. Unfortunately mine has lost the inscription and it will be interesting when you get a translation for yours. A nice piece. Regards, Norman.

11th December 2020, 08:56 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Very nice Turkish Ottoman would be my guess, albeit it can be from the Balkans. Also wootz in need of polishing and etching I suspect.

11th December 2020, 11:24 PM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	From what I see in the photos, and that is not very much, it looks like Persian wootz to me. 19th century maybe, but the blade might be older. Absolutely deserves a good polishing (to 2000 grit) then etching ( with Nital 4% for best results, but Ferric Chloride will also do the job).

11th December 2020, 11:49 PM	#5
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	Thanks for your tip, I will think about that. The wootz-structure is really hard to see.

13th December 2020, 05:57 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Very true - could use another etching