Bosnian Bichaq

gp · 9th November 2020, 02:42 PM

Well I leave it as it is and will not bid on this auction house ever again.
Especially asI left a second higher bid 24 hrs prior the auction ...

I have other positive experiences with US auction houses so nothing against them or the good ol’ U S of A ...

Except it did cost me a double Eliah Craig single barrel...

gp · 9th November 2020, 05:59 PM

received a reply on my request for details:

"Dear Sirs / Madams Regarding lot 406 from Nov 7th 2020 Auction held by SOFE Design Auctions We had to cancel this transaction due to a clerking mistake. The higher winning bid ($275)was awarded to another bidder who was bidding via another bidding platform. We use 6 bidding platforms. The clerk has made a clerking mistake by closing the lot too early! And since she/he opened the next lot for bidding she/he was unable to reopen lot 406 again to continue showing a bidding progression. In our practice it happens! In any case: Auctioneer's decision will be final. Auctioneer also does not accept liability for technology, website or internet failure, or unforeseen circumstances that may influence the execution of bids. This matter is closed now. Again, please accept our apology. Hopefully we'll have similar items in the future! "

you can guess what my action will be for similar auctions in the future with them....

gp · 9th November 2020, 07:46 PM

and now something else...

a very nice overview containing some Ottoman cold weapons:

http://www.banatheritage.com/english...s/ColdArms.pdf

G. Mansfield · 10th November 2020, 07:39 PM

GP and others, I too have had experience with the questionable practices of this auction house when I had "won" an item in their online contest but never received the item. Previously to that, I had no issues the one other time using their services during an auction. I am not here to bash, but just beware, read reviews and use best judgment with this auction house when considering.

Anyway, here is my Bosnian Bichaq for the thread record. A larger example at 37cm total, and 37,5cm in sheath. This was purchased from Lew's estate sale a few years back.

-Geoff

gp · 12th November 2020, 07:55 PM

nice one Geoff !

just received my smallest bichaq ever

which made up 10 times my auction experience and "lost" lot

total length 18 cm
blade 10 cm
ferrule 1 cm and steel; unlike all others which are copper, this one is part of or tied to the blade
handle. grip 7 cm
scabbard 13,5 cm

it clearly differs from the "cutlery" knives (who are without scabbard anyway) and I never saw one like his before.

Perhaps an apprentice piece or just show of mastership,
who nows....

Your thoughts please..

much obliged !

Gunar

gp · 20th February 2021, 01:03 PM

my recent addition is a strange one as I only found 2 bichaqs which came close. First of all its dimensions:

total length 35 cm
blade: 22 cm
ferrule 2 cm
handle: 11 cm

gp · 20th February 2021, 01:07 PM

the "strangeness" is in the grip: I only saw a similar-ish placed here by member Valjhun in 2008 and by a US seller ( the latter with regards to the ferrule)

The top of the handle is very nicely worked with plural symbols, although both examples lack the redish dots which mine has.
Also for the first time I see the half-cirlce with dots in the ferrule ( poorly in mine but very well in the enclosed picture to be seen).

Any one has seen this semi-circle before ?

gp · 20th February 2021, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

my recent addition is a strange one as I only found 2 bichaqs which came close. First of all its dimensions:

total length 35 cm
blade: 22 cm
ferrule 2 cm
handle: 11 cm

the blade has a double mark. Normally with the longer bichaqs one sees a double "f" ( versus a single "f" for a normal size bichaq ), but this one has 2 different ones on 1 blade: I never met 2 different ones on 1 blade before as well. Did any of you have one or has seen one with both marks together on 1 blade?

9th November 2020, 07:46 PM	#3
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	and now something else... a very nice overview containing some Ottoman cold weapons: http://www.banatheritage.com/english...s/ColdArms.pdf Last edited by gp; 9th November 2020 at 08:00 PM.

10th November 2020, 07:39 PM	#4
G. Mansfield Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 91	GP and others, I too have had experience with the questionable practices of this auction house when I had "won" an item in their online contest but never received the item. Previously to that, I had no issues the one other time using their services during an auction. I am not here to bash, but just beware, read reviews and use best judgment with this auction house when considering. Anyway, here is my Bosnian Bichaq for the thread record. A larger example at 37cm total, and 37,5cm in sheath. This was purchased from Lew's estate sale a few years back. -Geoff Attached Images

12th November 2020, 07:55 PM	#5
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	nice one Geoff ! just received my smallest bichaq ever which made up 10 times my auction experience and "lost" lot total length 18 cm blade 10 cm ferrule 1 cm and steel; unlike all others which are copper, this one is part of or tied to the blade handle. grip 7 cm scabbard 13,5 cm it clearly differs from the "cutlery" knives (who are without scabbard anyway) and I never saw one like his before. Perhaps an apprentice piece or just show of mastership, who nows.... Your thoughts please.. much obliged ! Gunar Attached Images Last edited by gp; 12th November 2020 at 08:55 PM.

20th February 2021, 01:03 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	my recent addition is a strange one as I only found 2 bichaqs which came close. First of all its dimensions: total length 35 cm blade: 22 cm ferrule 2 cm handle: 11 cm Attached Images

20th February 2021, 01:07 PM	#7
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	the "strangeness" is in the grip: I only saw a similar-ish placed here by member Valjhun in 2008 and by a US seller ( the latter with regards to the ferrule) The top of the handle is very nicely worked with plural symbols, although both examples lack the redish dots which mine has. Also for the first time I see the half-cirlce with dots in the ferrule ( poorly in mine but very well in the enclosed picture to be seen). Any one has seen this semi-circle before ? Attached Images Last edited by gp; 20th February 2021 at 10:48 PM.

9th November 2020, 02:42 PM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	Well I leave it as it is and will not bid on this auction house ever again. Especially asI left a second higher bid 24 hrs prior the auction ... I have other positive experiences with US auction houses so nothing against them or the good ol’ U S of A ... Except it did cost me a double Eliah Craig single barrel...

9th November 2020, 05:59 PM	#2
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 883	received a reply on my request for details: "Dear Sirs / Madams Regarding lot 406 from Nov 7th 2020 Auction held by SOFE Design Auctions We had to cancel this transaction due to a clerking mistake. The higher winning bid ($275)was awarded to another bidder who was bidding via another bidding platform. We use 6 bidding platforms. The clerk has made a clerking mistake by closing the lot too early! And since she/he opened the next lot for bidding she/he was unable to reopen lot 406 again to continue showing a bidding progression. In our practice it happens! In any case: Auctioneer's decision will be final. Auctioneer also does not accept liability for technology, website or internet failure, or unforeseen circumstances that may influence the execution of bids. This matter is closed now. Again, please accept our apology. Hopefully we'll have similar items in the future! " you can guess what my action will be for similar auctions in the future with them....