another old ( I hope ! ) shield ! Ottoman piece ??

Ren Ren · 5th October 2020, 10:42 PM

Afghanistan?

francantolin · 6th October 2020, 02:32 PM

Hello,

Thank you for your message !

yes it looks like an indian dhal with his four bosses but I haven't seen one with this kind of central shape and the lateral iron '' stenghtening'' that make me think of other origin with this kind of central cross...

It's not a later ad, I put a ''close'' picture, it was made first, before the bosses have been fixed.

For the moment, I cleaned it with baking soda and special stuff against parasites / pests ( it was reeally necessary ! )
then a little oil on because the leather was cracked in many parts.

Change the color, not that bad,
we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back )
maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter...

What do you think about all ? age, origin clenaing it more ?...

Kind regards

Kmaddock · 6th October 2020, 05:27 PM

we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back )
maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter...

is translucence in Dahl leather an indication of Rhino hide?

I will put up a pic of my "New" dahl this week
There seems to be a lot on shields at moment, interesting topic I would love to get a Zulu one, I am sure it will happen sometime!!

Regards

Ken

francantolin · 6th October 2020, 07:15 PM

Hello ,
yes it ''usually'' will work , if the leather is thick enough and still translucent.

Just one more criteria, somebody can tell you that if you put a lightened torch behind your ear it will turn red too and we are not rhino's

...

Oliver Pinchot · 6th October 2020, 09:32 PM

It has nothing in common with Ottoman materials, form
or construction. It is either N.Indian or Afghan, vers 1820-50

David R · 6th October 2020, 11:06 PM

I would not rule out a tribal piece from the Caucuses. The Kev-Sur for example used iron bound hide bucklers, though theirs usually with a central boss.

francantolin · 7th October 2020, 02:47 PM

Hello,

thank you for your comments !

North india and Afghanistan make me think of Balochistan and their shields.
I found this leather shield with the metal side but it's less raw than ''mine'' with his all iron structure...

The Khevsur people and their armor are really interesting,
I saw their small iron raw round dhal looking shield that made me think too that
''mine'' could come from some( where(?) ) in central Asia...

Another point: the leather; it seems all made of small hair-wool more than skin cells...

6th October 2020, 02:32 PM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, Thank you for your message ! yes it looks like an indian dhal with his four bosses but I haven't seen one with this kind of central shape and the lateral iron '' stenghtening'' that make me think of other origin with this kind of central cross... It's not a later ad, I put a ''close'' picture, it was made first, before the bosses have been fixed. For the moment, I cleaned it with baking soda and special stuff against parasites / pests ( it was reeally necessary ! ) then a little oil on because the leather was cracked in many parts. Change the color, not that bad, we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back ) maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter... What do you think about all ? age, origin clenaing it more ?... Kind regards Attached Images

7th October 2020, 02:47 PM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, thank you for your comments ! North india and Afghanistan make me think of Balochistan and their shields. I found this leather shield with the metal side but it's less raw than ''mine'' with his all iron structure... The Khevsur people and their armor are really interesting, I saw their small iron raw round dhal looking shield that made me think too that ''mine'' could come from some( where(?) ) in central Asia... Another point: the leather; it seems all made of small hair-wool more than skin cells... Attached Images

5th October 2020, 10:42 PM	#1
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 379	Afghanistan?

6th October 2020, 05:27 PM	#3
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back ) maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter... is translucence in Dahl leather an indication of Rhino hide? I will put up a pic of my "New" dahl this week There seems to be a lot on shields at moment, interesting topic I would love to get a Zulu one, I am sure it will happen sometime!! Regards Ken

6th October 2020, 07:15 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello , yes it ''usually'' will work , if the leather is thick enough and still translucent. Just one more criteria, somebody can tell you that if you put a lightened torch behind your ear it will turn red too and we are not rhino's ...

6th October 2020, 09:32 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 464	It has nothing in common with Ottoman materials, form or construction. It is either N.Indian or Afghan, vers 1820-50

6th October 2020, 11:06 PM	#6
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	I would not rule out a tribal piece from the Caucuses. The Kev-Sur for example used iron bound hide bucklers, though theirs usually with a central boss.