KRIS WITH TALISMAN

xasterix · 27th September 2020, 10:40 AM

I got another 'kris with talisman'

I've only partially restored it. The gold wire asang asang and threads near the pommel are my handiwork.

JeffS · 4th September 2023, 06:48 AM

Since this post discusses Cato's classification, I thought I would post this here. For some reason I find that section of his book extremely confusing to parse through. I've posted it below with what I believe is the relevant text from the page to go with the figure examples. I've also highlighted the area in question to see it better, using Ian's letter notation.

A. Sulu kris with bone pommel.
Generally, Sulu kris blades have mouth cavities which are elliptical in shape. The older forms feature mouths which are less open and more angular than the later versions. In either case the mouth cavity and the lower jaw point down towards toward the base of the guard. The trunk itself may be normal in length or elongated.

B. Maranao fighting kris.
The type that is distinctly Maranao begin with an elongated trunk. The mouth cavity while still present, is quite narrow. and the lower jaw run parallel to the guard.

C. Maguindanao kris with banati kakatua.
The Maguindanao style, like the Sulu, exhibits an elliptical elephant's mouth that is still somewhat pointed on the innermost end. However, the Maguindanao variety is not angled downwards. Instead, the design itself runs perpendicular to the side of the guard.

D. Kris with pommel of sea-cow ivory and Mindanao "crossover" elephant-trunk design.
Some Mindanao krises have a very similar style, except that the mouth is round instead of oval, and is not angled. This "crossover" form seems to be evident on both Maranao and Maguindanao krises.

David · 4th September 2023, 10:26 PM

I don't know how other feel about this, but it make far more sense to me to look at a diagram like this the other way around.

JeffS · 5th September 2023, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I don't know how other feel about this, but it make far more sense to me to look at a diagram like this the other way around.

Wow, for sure. I can update the graphic (assuming it is helpful for others).

27th September 2020, 10:40 AM	#1
xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 672	I got another 'kris with talisman' I've only partially restored it. The gold wire asang asang and threads near the pommel are my handiwork. Attached Images

4th September 2023, 06:48 AM	#2
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 423	Since this post discusses Cato's classification, I thought I would post this here. For some reason I find that section of his book extremely confusing to parse through. I've posted it below with what I believe is the relevant text from the page to go with the figure examples. I've also highlighted the area in question to see it better, using Ian's letter notation. A. Sulu kris with bone pommel. Generally, Sulu kris blades have mouth cavities which are elliptical in shape. The older forms feature mouths which are less open and more angular than the later versions. In either case the mouth cavity and the lower jaw point down towards toward the base of the guard. The trunk itself may be normal in length or elongated. B. Maranao fighting kris. The type that is distinctly Maranao begin with an elongated trunk. The mouth cavity while still present, is quite narrow. and the lower jaw run parallel to the guard. C. Maguindanao kris with banati kakatua. The Maguindanao style, like the Sulu, exhibits an elliptical elephant's mouth that is still somewhat pointed on the innermost end. However, the Maguindanao variety is not angled downwards. Instead, the design itself runs perpendicular to the side of the guard. D. Kris with pommel of sea-cow ivory and Mindanao "crossover" elephant-trunk design. Some Mindanao krises have a very similar style, except that the mouth is round instead of oval, and is not angled. This "crossover" form seems to be evident on both Maranao and Maguindanao krises. Attached Images

4th September 2023, 10:26 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I don't know how other feel about this, but it make far more sense to me to look at a diagram like this the other way around. Attached Images