Seeking translation assistance on Indian sword stamp

RSWORD · 29th August 2020, 03:30 PM

This sword has a few interesting features. The first is the stamp with Arabic inscription. I make out the numerals 1110 which would translate to roughly around 1688 on the Western calendar which seems a bit early for this blade but maybe not. Perhaps the date is based on a different calendar. Am hoping the inscription provides additional insights. This blade also has the faux European markings but the stamping is about as clear and precise as I have seen. Finally, the hilt motif is very interesting. The fish style motif seems to be a very strong Asian influence.

Looking forward to thoughts and hopefully a translation on the stamp. Thank you.

Norman McCormick · 29th August 2020, 05:28 PM

Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 29th August 2020, 05:29 PM

Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.

ariel · 29th August 2020, 07:01 PM

I think it is 1115.

Ian · 29th August 2020, 10:18 PM

Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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RSWORD · 30th August 2020, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.

Yes, Jens example also has the Faux European markings but I noticed under the langet his example also has a stamped cartouche. Would be interesting to see if they have similar translations.

RSWORD · 30th August 2020, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.

Nice looking sword. Thanks for sharing and good to see another example of this blade mark.

RSWORD · 30th August 2020, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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Thanks Ian. Yes, that does make it easier and hopefully someone will be able to translate.

RSWORD · 30th August 2020, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I think it is 1115.

Thanks Ariel.

Jens Nordlunde · 31st August 2020, 12:48 PM

Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.

RSWORD · 1st September 2020, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.

Thanks Jen. I appreciate the info on the stamp on your blade. Hopefully someone will be able to translate mine.

mariusgmioc · 1st September 2020, 03:03 PM

Hello,
The date in the cartouche may have a different meaning, like the year when the swordsmith shop was founded... maybe...

A.alnakkas · 1st September 2020, 05:44 PM

Hey Rick,

I cant understand but I can transliterate

I think it says عالمكمرث

or

عالمكرث

Alamkarth or Alamkamarth

Beautiful sword btw

kwiatek · 1st September 2020, 06:22 PM

It says

عالمگیر شاهی *۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.

RSWORD · 1st September 2020, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwiatek

It says

عالمگیر شاهی *۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.

Thank you very much Kwiatek! This is very helpful information and really nails down the time period for this blade.

mariusgmioc · 2nd September 2020, 11:19 AM

Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.

Also considering their age, there is a good chance they are wootz.

So, if they were mine, I would do some polishing and etching to try and reveal the wootz pattern (if there is any), or to give the blade some patina, more consistent with its age.

Norman McCormick · 2nd September 2020, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.

Hi,
I suspect you are referring to the sword that belongs to me. I would heartily agree with you but unfortunately in this case the hilt of the sword was covered in black and gold paint and the blade had been attacked with a grinder hence the 'restoration' process was a lot more agressive than normal.
Regards,
Norman.

mariusgmioc · 4th September 2020, 10:09 AM

Hello Norman,

Yes, I know that sometimes the blade needs some additional polishing to remove the scars from previous abuse.

It still is a lovely blade!

29th August 2020, 03:30 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	Seeking translation assistance on Indian sword stamp This sword has a few interesting features. The first is the stamp with Arabic inscription. I make out the numerals 1110 which would translate to roughly around 1688 on the Western calendar which seems a bit early for this blade but maybe not. Perhaps the date is based on a different calendar. Am hoping the inscription provides additional insights. This blade also has the faux European markings but the stamping is about as clear and precise as I have seen. Finally, the hilt motif is very interesting. The fish style motif seems to be a very strong Asian influence. Looking forward to thoughts and hopefully a translation on the stamp. Thank you. Attached Images

29th August 2020, 05:28 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi, Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

29th August 2020, 05:29 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi, This one belongs to me. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

29th August 2020, 10:18 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,204	Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian. . Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 29th August 2020 at 10:38 PM.

29th August 2020, 07:01 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I think it is 1115.

31st August 2020, 12:48 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Nice tulwar. The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.

1st September 2020, 03:03 PM	#12
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Hello, The date in the cartouche may have a different meaning, like the year when the swordsmith shop was founded... maybe...

1st September 2020, 05:44 PM	#13
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hey Rick, I cant understand but I can transliterate I think it says عالمكمرث or عالمكرث Alamkarth or Alamkamarth Beautiful sword btw

1st September 2020, 06:22 PM	#14
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	It says عالمگیر شاهی *۱۱۱۵ “ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115” ‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.

2nd September 2020, 11:19 AM	#16
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned. Also considering their age, there is a good chance they are wootz. So, if they were mine, I would do some polishing and etching to try and reveal the wootz pattern (if there is any), or to give the blade some patina, more consistent with its age.

4th September 2020, 10:09 AM	#18
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Hello Norman, Yes, I know that sometimes the blade needs some additional polishing to remove the scars from previous abuse. It still is a lovely blade!