Old mamluk style hilt and mounts

Victrix · 30th August 2020, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Philip

Yes, at least not external ones like beagles do. I'm sure these birds are capable of hearing, though.

I think you know what I mean. Sure eagles have hearing organs which are not clearly visible on the outside.

If the creature was a griffin it would have an eagle’s beak but it looks more like a muzzle to me.

francantolin · 30th August 2020, 05:54 PM

Hello Victrix,

Not a perfect griffin but not a muzzle.
A bird, maybe more a vulture beak shape...

Does anybody know if the decorations on the scabbard mounts represent something special ?

Kind regards

Victrix · 30th August 2020, 09:32 PM

The Hungarians have a mythical bird called Turul which is a falcon/hawk. https://szerveto.com/szer-veto/symbo...mythical-turul
The pommel could represent its head and its body could be represented folklore style on the scabbard. The items might then have been part of a 19thC Hungarian cultural or magnate’s sabre? Hungary was part of the Roman province of Pannonia and Hungarians like to include Roman symbolism.

sabertasche · 2nd September 2020, 05:12 PM

Hi all, the mounts appear to be Austro-Hungarian in origin for a so called "Magnent's" sword. I think it is a version of court sword for minor nobles. They appear in a multitude of shapes and sizes, the only limit being how much you wanted to spend. Here's mine, a lovely sword, Austro-Hungarian mounts in silver with a French (probably) blade.

The markings are a silver assay mark for Vienna and maker's mark. My sword dates to 1840 but I've not been able to identify the maker. The hilt, quillon, and all the scabbard mounts all have the same markings.

Regards,

Greg

francantolin · 3rd September 2020, 12:10 PM

Hello,

Thank you Victrix and Sabertasche for your comments !

Really lovely nice silver hilt ( with turquoise stones ? )
Is it ''goldened'' silver ? what it seems on the picture.

1840 seems right with the shape of the mark ( cf Austrian hallmark book stamps )

In mine, I found amazing the skill of the goldsmith especially on the guard's face !
Sure, I don't think it was made for everybody.
What could be the price ? What is the right price now ?

I have an hussar blade without hilt and a shamshir blade,
I hesitate to assemble it together ?

The hussar model will be ok with the austrian/hungarian origin

The shamshir for the oriental period after Napoleon Egyptian campaign fashion...

sabertasche · 3rd September 2020, 05:33 PM

Hi Francantolin, I feel bad as my sword was one of the first blades I posted when I joined this Forum! Since then I've gently cleaned it and reassembled the scabbard but that's it. I should have been farther along in its resurrection!. Stylistically, my sword is silver gilt with turquoise and white enamel. Apparently, this was a common decorative combination post Napoleon.

If you are adding a spare blade to your hilt the good news is that these swords had all manner of blades mounted. Mine is a lightweight blade but some have battle weight blades mounted. If you search "Hungarian Magnet sword" you will see the many, many varieties of this type.

Cheers,

Greg

30th August 2020, 05:54 PM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello Victrix, Not a perfect griffin but not a muzzle. A bird, maybe more a vulture beak shape... Does anybody know if the decorations on the scabbard mounts represent something special ? Kind regards Attached Images

30th August 2020, 09:32 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	The Hungarians have a mythical bird called Turul which is a falcon/hawk. https://szerveto.com/szer-veto/symbo...mythical-turul The pommel could represent its head and its body could be represented folklore style on the scabbard. The items might then have been part of a 19thC Hungarian cultural or magnate’s sabre? Hungary was part of the Roman province of Pannonia and Hungarians like to include Roman symbolism. Last edited by Victrix; 30th August 2020 at 09:46 PM.

2nd September 2020, 05:12 PM	#4
sabertasche Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 149	Hi all, the mounts appear to be Austro-Hungarian in origin for a so called "Magnent's" sword. I think it is a version of court sword for minor nobles. They appear in a multitude of shapes and sizes, the only limit being how much you wanted to spend. Here's mine, a lovely sword, Austro-Hungarian mounts in silver with a French (probably) blade. The markings are a silver assay mark for Vienna and maker's mark. My sword dates to 1840 but I've not been able to identify the maker. The hilt, quillon, and all the scabbard mounts all have the same markings. Regards, Greg Attached Images Last edited by sabertasche; 2nd September 2020 at 10:19 PM.

3rd September 2020, 12:10 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, Thank you Victrix and Sabertasche for your comments ! Really lovely nice silver hilt ( with turquoise stones ? ) Is it ''goldened'' silver ? what it seems on the picture. 1840 seems right with the shape of the mark ( cf Austrian hallmark book stamps ) In mine, I found amazing the skill of the goldsmith especially on the guard's face ! Sure, I don't think it was made for everybody. What could be the price ? What is the right price now ? I have an hussar blade without hilt and a shamshir blade, I hesitate to assemble it together ? The hussar model will be ok with the austrian/hungarian origin The shamshir for the oriental period after Napoleon Egyptian campaign fashion... Attached Images

3rd September 2020, 05:33 PM	#6
sabertasche Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 149	Hi Francantolin, I feel bad as my sword was one of the first blades I posted when I joined this Forum! Since then I've gently cleaned it and reassembled the scabbard but that's it. I should have been farther along in its resurrection!. Stylistically, my sword is silver gilt with turquoise and white enamel. Apparently, this was a common decorative combination post Napoleon. If you are adding a spare blade to your hilt the good news is that these swords had all manner of blades mounted. Mine is a lightweight blade but some have battle weight blades mounted. If you search "Hungarian Magnet sword" you will see the many, many varieties of this type. Cheers, Greg