Curved Swords In India Before The Talwar, 2nd Century BC, India

Milogow360 · 5th July 2020, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Are those later renditions?

No, there are a lot of iconography, lore, etc. in Chandraketugarh vases and other deposits that are archaic, etc. hard to think up of even in the 5th century AD let alone recently. However people can try to reproduced them, twist already found pieces.

That vase has some damage to it, but over it is in very good condition you're right.

Their collection is extremely good, one of the best I've seen. I'd hope they have experts cross referencing.

https://www.sylph-ocular.com/

Milogow360 · 5th July 2020, 10:33 PM

Another are the daggers of the Central Asian White Huns. Whites Huns invaded the Gupta and the Sassanid Empire. The Western Huns would of probably of another racial make up invaded the Roman empire.

This is a site in Kashmir, 6th to 7th Century AD.

The artistic system is of their own and not Indian. They all hold a straigh sword in their hand and daggers on their waist.

ariel · 5th July 2020, 11:55 PM

Do we know when these vases were created? I went on the site of images from Bhaja Caves, and there are indeed some obviously old ones with curved swords. So, in my mind, their existence 2000 years ago is not in question. But if the vases were created according to the old motives, their evidentiary value is in doubt. Better use the worn-out originals:-)
Here are images from Elgood's book. They seem to confirm your theory re. curved blades. But, if the " warrior" from Bhaja indeed caries a sword with a knuckle guard, the European origin of that sword detail becomes impossible.

Milogow360 · 20th July 2020, 11:36 PM

Gandhara, 1st-2nd+ Century AD

So far we have examples from across the subcontinent in all politically important parts of India in classical India. Though not as popular as the forward recurved swords, or Indian broadswords it still shows up. Another sword type is the sickle/hook/falx like blades.

5th July 2020, 10:33 PM	#2
Milogow360 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 18	Another are the daggers of the Central Asian White Huns. Whites Huns invaded the Gupta and the Sassanid Empire. The Western Huns would of probably of another racial make up invaded the Roman empire. This is a site in Kashmir, 6th to 7th Century AD. The artistic system is of their own and not Indian. They all hold a straigh sword in their hand and daggers on their waist. Attached Images

5th July 2020, 11:55 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Do we know when these vases were created? I went on the site of images from Bhaja Caves, and there are indeed some obviously old ones with curved swords. So, in my mind, their existence 2000 years ago is not in question. But if the vases were created according to the old motives, their evidentiary value is in doubt. Better use the worn-out originals:-) Here are images from Elgood's book. They seem to confirm your theory re. curved blades. But, if the " warrior" from Bhaja indeed caries a sword with a knuckle guard, the European origin of that sword detail becomes impossible. Attached Images

20th July 2020, 11:36 PM	#4
Milogow360 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 18	Gandhara, 1st-2nd+ Century AD So far we have examples from across the subcontinent in all politically important parts of India in classical India. Though not as popular as the forward recurved swords, or Indian broadswords it still shows up. Another sword type is the sickle/hook/falx like blades. Attached Images Last edited by Milogow360; 21st July 2020 at 12:59 AM.