Some Sword in Thailand

jamesj975 · 15th May 2006, 05:35 AM

bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it.

P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week.

Khun Dang

D Wilke · 15th May 2006, 05:43 AM

Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post.

Dan

Bancha Thongkomol · 15th May 2006, 12:12 PM

PUFF · 15th May 2006, 03:24 PM

I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday...

For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs.

Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.)

For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc.

In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both).

The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war).

To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were

) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you).

I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection

For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.

Andrew · 15th May 2006, 05:02 PM

Khun Bancha:

Thank you for showing us some of your daab and sharing information.

I'm particularly interested in hearing more about the third sword from the bottom in the last picture you posted.

Best,
Andrew

Angren · 15th May 2006, 09:39 PM

SabbaiDee! Do you now any Lao?

Realy great swords!

RSWORD · 15th May 2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bancha Thongkomol

As you can imagine, this picture with the lovely swords will generate many questions. Mine is in regards to the sword pictured on the bottom. I have a similar example, albeit, much shorter but with similar handle with the same brass nail work in the handle, same handle profile and blade has marking. I will post a picture of my example tonight for comparison purpose.

Bancha Thongkomol · 16th May 2006, 11:17 AM

Last pic

Top no 1 is Siver Sword can Found this Style in Central, North of Thai (Nan Prov.and around) and Lao

No.2 Central to North Style . We Call this Blade is Hoa-Mon

No.3 Form Lao the Handle is siver about 18C-19C We found this style in Lao's Royal Family (Viceroy)

No.4 (Central to North Style) - No 5 (Thai+Japnese Style) Comming Soon

(I will go Home)

No.6 Cambodia Sword

Bancha Thongkomol · 18th May 2006, 10:55 PM

Sword no 4 19C Central+ North Style iron handdle
Sword no 5 19C Thai+Japnese Style masame hada made in Thailand

15th May 2006, 05:35 AM	#1
jamesj975 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4	period Classifiction bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it. P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week. Khun Dang

15th May 2006, 05:43 AM	#2
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	OOps Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post. Dan

15th May 2006, 12:12 PM	#3
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16

15th May 2006, 03:24 PM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday... For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs. Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.) For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc. In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both). The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war). To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were ) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you). I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.

15th May 2006, 05:02 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Khun Bancha: Thank you for showing us some of your daab and sharing information. I'm particularly interested in hearing more about the third sword from the bottom in the last picture you posted. Best, Andrew

15th May 2006, 09:39 PM	#6
Angren Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10	SabbaiDee! Do you now any Lao? Realy great swords!

16th May 2006, 11:17 AM	#8
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Last pic Top no 1 is Siver Sword can Found this Style in Central, North of Thai (Nan Prov.and around) and Lao No.2 Central to North Style . We Call this Blade is Hoa-Mon No.3 Form Lao the Handle is siver about 18C-19C We found this style in Lao's Royal Family (Viceroy) No.4 (Central to North Style) - No 5 (Thai+Japnese Style) Comming Soon (I will go Home) No.6 Cambodia Sword

18th May 2006, 10:55 PM	#9
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Sword no 4 19C Central+ North Style iron handdle Sword no 5 19C Thai+Japnese Style masame hada made in Thailand