Swords of Jolo Sulu 3

jamesj975 · 15th May 2006, 04:23 AM

Hello all, I am a friend of Dan Wilke. We posted some pics of some Kris that I recently purchased. I am looking for any kind of feed back on these. I am new to the collection and I am learning. Any thing would be of help to me. Thank you for your time. Jack

Spunjer · 15th May 2006, 11:57 AM

excellent kalis, IMO. if we have to go by cato's book (btw, we do that a lot here since it's the only book ever written dedicated to the moro swords), those are indeed a more recent, as in post 1930 and later, blade. it's really hard to tell whether the outfit itself are redressed or not, but nevertheless, they are IMHO, are "true" krisses, and not made for stalls in Aldevinco.

both have the classic horse hoof pommel, with either nickel or silver asang-asang. the first one, known as kalis seko, has 17 waves, luks, whatever. again, based on the book this symbolizes a snake in motion (also, the more waves, the more potent it is).

the second one, known as kalis taluseko looks like a no nonsense battle sword. the lamination is indeed incredible. handle looks to be made out of banati.

nothing much i can add here. again, like ian said, go with what the locals think it is. we're just a bunch of book nerds here basing most of what we know from books and each other. kinda like learning brazilian jiujitsu from the books, lol...

BluErf · 15th May 2006, 02:38 PM

Hi,

I thought the first kris had an obviously separate ganja?

Ferguson · 15th May 2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

Hi,

I thought the first kris had an obviously separate ganja?

Both are very nice sundang James!

A couple of mine have a chiseled line that makes them look like they have a separate gangya. This one is similar in style to the second one.
Thanks for sharing these with us.
Steve Ferguson

Battara · 15th May 2006, 08:11 PM

I second Spunger's observations. These are newer post 1930s, when separable gangas disappeared. As Ferguson has demonstrated, lines were added later on some pieces to make it look like a separable ganga.

15th May 2006, 04:23 AM	#1
jamesj975 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4	Doc Hello all, I am a friend of Dan Wilke. We posted some pics of some Kris that I recently purchased. I am looking for any kind of feed back on these. I am new to the collection and I am learning. Any thing would be of help to me. Thank you for your time. Jack

15th May 2006, 11:57 AM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	excellent kalis, IMO. if we have to go by cato's book (btw, we do that a lot here since it's the only book ever written dedicated to the moro swords), those are indeed a more recent, as in post 1930 and later, blade. it's really hard to tell whether the outfit itself are redressed or not, but nevertheless, they are IMHO, are "true" krisses, and not made for stalls in Aldevinco. both have the classic horse hoof pommel, with either nickel or silver asang-asang. the first one, known as kalis seko, has 17 waves, luks, whatever. again, based on the book this symbolizes a snake in motion (also, the more waves, the more potent it is). the second one, known as kalis taluseko looks like a no nonsense battle sword. the lamination is indeed incredible. handle looks to be made out of banati. nothing much i can add here. again, like ian said, go with what the locals think it is. we're just a bunch of book nerds here basing most of what we know from books and each other. kinda like learning brazilian jiujitsu from the books, lol...

15th May 2006, 02:38 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hi, I thought the first kris had an obviously separate ganja?

15th May 2006, 08:11 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I second Spunger's observations. These are newer post 1930s, when separable gangas disappeared. As Ferguson has demonstrated, lines were added later on some pieces to make it look like a separable ganga.