Old or new ''fake'' yemeni jambiya-khanjar ?

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you all for your comments !

50's just begins to be old for humans, for a jambiya not sure
hopefully it's not too recent.

Interesting the ''amberoid'' I didn't know it

I wonder why they used to do this kind of hilt materials instead wood or marble-stone handle and why they mixed it with real silver filgree-mounts.

- Was it to sell it high priced as a rare rhino hilted piece to the few
( I think !?! ) present strangers ( for British ? with the Aden Protectorate... )

- Or for local people who liked the similarity with horn hilt but hadn't enough
money to buy one ? ( like skaï-imitation leather instead of real one )

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by francantolin

I wonder why they used to do this kind of hilt materials instead wood or marble-stone handle and why they mixed it with real silver filgree-mounts.

- Was it to sell it high priced as a rare rhino hilted piece to the few
( I think !?! ) present strangers ( for British ? with the Aden Protectorate... )

- Or for local people who liked the similarity with horn hilt but hadn't enough
money to buy one ? ( like skaï-imitation leather instead of real one )

You should buy Gracie's book, the best on this topic.

[David R]

Amberoid is not a cheap material, though nowhere near as expensive as natural Amber. It can also be bought as fairly large blocks, as used to be sold by a supplier used to deal with. The technology is also old, dating back to the late bronze age.

It was a favoured material for pipe stems in the West and in the Muslim world, regarded as self purifying in the Middle East and is used a lot for worry beads in place of genuine amber. No guarantee of course but it would be my guess.

https://gem-a.com/gem-hub/gem-knowle...tructed-pieces

[Bob A]

I'm unable to speculate regarging the hilt materiel, but the silver work is attractive.

The blade has an odd look, to me, making me wonder if it is solid, or a welded-together molded 2-piece construct, which I understand is sometimes done. (It's surprisingly shiny, making me think of some sort of plating).

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you David for your comment,
maybe it's amberoid as you suggest, maybe mixed, some parts have translucence and are brown with no light, other nothing at all ( cf pictures ),

for the blade I put some pictures, really don't see/think it's made of two sheets but it is really thin compared to other jambiyas I have and has a really sharp edge

Kind regards

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by Bob A

I'm unable to speculate regarding the hilt material, but the silver work is attractive.

The blade has an odd look, to me, making me wonder if it is solid, or a welded-together moulded 2-piece construct, which I understand is sometimes done. (It's surprisingly shiny, making me think of some sort of plating).

I notice d that too, they make a lot of fake blades now, cheap thin sheet steel with the central ridge stamped in to a left/right half, edges welded then ground a bit. Blade appears thick but is hollow. If the hand grip is resin, the 'silver' may be plated.

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by kronckew

I notice d that too, they make a lot of fake blades now, cheap thin sheet steel with the central ridge stamped in to a left/right half, edges welded then ground a bit. Blade appears thick but is hollow. If the hand grip is resin, the 'silver' may be plated.

Hello,

the blade is thin but it's made of only one piece of metal and there is a central ridge on both side

[Mel H]

Originally Posted by kronckew

I notice d that too, they make a lot of fake blades now, cheap thin sheet steel with the central ridge stamped in to a left/right half, edges welded then ground a bit. Blade appears thick but is hollow. If the hand grip is resin, the 'silver' may be plated.

I had one more than twenty years since that someone had attempted to sharpen on a wheel, resulting in the partial separation of the two halves.

[Interested Party]

Originally Posted by Kubur

You should buy Gracie's book, the best on this topic.

What title?

[TVV]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

What title?

Stephen Gracie, "Jambiya: Daggers from the Ancient Souks of Yemen"

If you can, get the hardcover copy. A really great book, with a ton of info and great pictures and also very pleasant to read. Elgood's "The Arms and Armour of Arabia" also has a lot of good info in the chapter on daggers.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by TVV

Stephen Gracie, "Jambiya: Daggers from the Ancient Souks of Yemen"

If you can, get the hardcover copy. A really great book, with a ton of info and great pictures and also very pleasant to read. Elgood's "The Arms and Armour of Arabia" also has a lot of good info in the chapter on daggers.

I confirm but Elgood's book is not cheap...

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by TVV

Stephen Gracie, "Jambiya: Daggers from the Ancient Souks of Yemen"

If you can, get the hardcover copy. A really great book, with a ton of info and great pictures and also very pleasant to read. Elgood's "The Arms and Armour of Arabia" also has a lot of good info in the chapter on daggers.

This book was available from Artzi. He may still have copies. Contact details for Oriental Arms can be found in the Members List above.
I agree with Teodor's comments....if you have an interest in Jambya then this is the book to have.
Stu

[David R]

You might like this link... https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedi...f-the-jambiya/