Algerian Long Gun

Kubur · 9th May 2020, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qusko

Hi Rick,
Please check the butt style in the complete examples. It has a little bit wider butt plate. Maybe it's bone, but also, in some examples, it might be wood.

Two guns in the middle are from Tunisia.
But Rick's gun is not from Tunisia. IMHO

rickystl · 10th May 2020, 09:26 PM

Hi Kubur

I remember your Algerian gun very well. A very good example. And glad I could help with the "part" LOL

Hi Gusko

Thank you so much for those photos. Those are the ones I was looking for. The Algerian looking guns with flintlocks versus the more common miquelet locks.
Notice too the most of the flintlocks are flat faced. That, and the general style of lock looks similar on all. Although the one has a slightly round faced like like mine. Also, notice the wood stock similarities with all. In fact, the last photo butt stock shape is almost a clone of mine.

I can certainly see where some collectors might refer to these guns as either Moroccan or Algerian style guns. In fact, I'm not 100% sure myself. LOL
Of course with the cross of these two cultures it can be confusing at times.
Thanks again Gusko for the photos. And thank you all for your comments.

Rick

kahnjar1 · 10th May 2020, 10:22 PM

Hi Rick,
Can you please show a clear impression of this mark.
Regards Stu

rickystl · 12th May 2020, 04:40 PM

Hi Stu

Have not cleaned the lock up yet. But cleaned the area around the mark. It's very tiny. Took the best pic I could. Looks like a "W" with a tiny crown above it.

Rick

Fernando K · 12th May 2020, 08:09 PM

Hello

The letter W crowned appears on a Belgian weapon, imitation of the Tower, existing in a Museum and which served to make Fabricaciones Militartes (Argentina) reproduce the flintlock

Affectionately

Fernando K · 12th May 2020, 08:21 PM

Lock

kahnjar1 · 12th May 2020, 09:43 PM

Thanks for posting the mark. IMHO it is safe to say that this lock is not a North African made item, but is European. The mark on your lock, and that shown by Fernando is identical in style and placement. It is also too good in quality and style to be a local stamp. Note that in both cases the W has a thicker stroke on the left than on the right. If the stamp was local I do not think that a copy would have the same detail. Copies are usually rather basic.
So what do you have? I believe a gun dressed (maybe) in North Africa, but with a Spanish style/European stock and lock.
Next thing to check would be the barrel when you remove it, to see if there are any marks underneath.........
The plot thickens!!
Regards Stu

10th May 2020, 10:22 PM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	Please magnify this mark Hi Rick, Can you please show a clear impression of this mark. Regards Stu Attached Images

12th May 2020, 04:40 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Stu Have not cleaned the lock up yet. But cleaned the area around the mark. It's very tiny. Took the best pic I could. Looks like a "W" with a tiny crown above it. Rick Attached Images

12th May 2020, 08:21 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Lock Attached Images

10th May 2020, 09:26 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Kubur I remember your Algerian gun very well. A very good example. And glad I could help with the "part" LOL Hi Gusko Thank you so much for those photos. Those are the ones I was looking for. The Algerian looking guns with flintlocks versus the more common miquelet locks. Notice too the most of the flintlocks are flat faced. That, and the general style of lock looks similar on all. Although the one has a slightly round faced like like mine. Also, notice the wood stock similarities with all. In fact, the last photo butt stock shape is almost a clone of mine. I can certainly see where some collectors might refer to these guns as either Moroccan or Algerian style guns. In fact, I'm not 100% sure myself. LOL Of course with the cross of these two cultures it can be confusing at times. Thanks again Gusko for the photos. And thank you all for your comments. Rick

12th May 2020, 08:09 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello The letter W crowned appears on a Belgian weapon, imitation of the Tower, existing in a Museum and which served to make Fabricaciones Militartes (Argentina) reproduce the flintlock Affectionately

12th May 2020, 09:43 PM	#7
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	Thanks for posting the mark. IMHO it is safe to say that this lock is not a North African made item, but is European. The mark on your lock, and that shown by Fernando is identical in style and placement. It is also too good in quality and style to be a local stamp. Note that in both cases the W has a thicker stroke on the left than on the right. If the stamp was local I do not think that a copy would have the same detail. Copies are usually rather basic. So what do you have? I believe a gun dressed (maybe) in North Africa, but with a Spanish style/European stock and lock. Next thing to check would be the barrel when you remove it, to see if there are any marks underneath......... The plot thickens!! Regards Stu