What is this sword? Possibly British 1800s ...

[fernando]

Welcome to the forum, Canuck ... and thank you for your offer concerning Civil War Weaponry info.
Can you show us that musket you are talking about ?

[ConfederateCanuck]

Since the opinions are tending to suggest a British origin for the sword, is there any way to change the title of this thread to attract those with British sword expertise?

[fernando]

Originally Posted by ConfederateCanuck

Since the opinions are tending to suggest a British origin for the sword, is there any way to change the title of this thread to attract those with British sword expertise?

Tell us the new title you wish to change to; we shall see to that.

[ConfederateCanuck]

The sword looks very similar to British 1821 Pattern swords. Does that help at all?

[Jim McDougall]

I agree with the consensus here, pretty likely British, and that brass hilt conforms to various British patterns of mid 19th c. typically infantry, and other units officers swords . It is heartening to see photography that makes my own look almost discernible .......but great post!
It's good to have a Civil War buff around, eh? (my daughter is in Upper State Michigan yooper land).
Thank you for the offers on input on that, thats what its all about here, sharing expertise!

[ConfederateCanuck]

Re the 1842 Austrian musket, it looks like this:

[corrado26]

In its better days this was a M 1842 Austrian Infantry gun. Then in the 1870s, when many European governments sold their surplus muzzleloader arms to mostly Belgium dealers and gunmakers in order to gain money for a new series of urgently needed breechloader weapons, its Augustin system was replaced by a normal percussion system with a French cock. These converted guns then have been sold to the colonies and third-world-countries around the globe - what was a really big deal at that time.

[ConfederateCanuck]

The 1842 muskets that were sold to the North and South during the American Civil War were converted to percussion before entering service. In 1861 whe the war started, both sides purchased whatever weapons were available on the market, even substandard junk, which was to be refurbished before entering service.


However, as much as I like talking about muskets, this thread is digressing away from swords.

[Kmaddock]

Hi Canuck
welcome to the forum
I would go with it being a Royal House Guards type sword as being a possible match
is the blade straight and does it have a bulbus bit at the top (google pipeback sword and you will see what i am referring to)
regards

Ken

[ConfederateCanuck]

Originally Posted by fernando

Tell us the new title you wish to change to; we shall see to that.

It would be appreciated if the thread title could be changed to "What is this sword? Possibly British 1800s" or whatever else you might recommend would attract the right kind of experts to the thread.

Thanks.

[corrado26]

In case it is really an Austrian M 1842 infantry gun it must have a percussion lock with the AUGUSTIN system.

[ConfederateCanuck]

Originally Posted by corrado26

In case it is really an Austrian M 1842 infantry gun it must have a percussion lock with the AUGUSTIN system.

Many of those were later converted to percussion. His is percussion. But whether it was converted to percussion or made in percussion, I can't be certain...I need to learn more. His musket was made in 1851, so if you have any additional information to share based on that date, that would be appreciated. Any links to Austrian musket websites also appreciated.