North African dagger for identification

kronckew · 29th March 2020, 03:01 PM

The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives'

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives'

I think that is valid for the Bou Saadi daggers but not for Khodmi when I understand Kubur correct (post #3).

Regards,
Detlef

Kubur · 29th March 2020, 03:32 PM

Hi

You have a North African pseudo pesh kabz.

More seriously it's more a Moroccan janwi or genoui than a khodmi...

The grip is very similar to the shula and the size to the janwi.

I vote for Morocco.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24849

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi

You have a North African pseudo pesh kabz.

More seriously it's more a Moroccan janwi or genoui than a khodmi...

The grip is very similar to the shula and the size to the janwi.

I vote for Morocco.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24849

Hi Kubur,
Thank you very much! Like we see seems the variety great and the transitions fluent. I see a lot of resemblance to the one the thread started.
Any age guess?

Regards,
Detlef

ariel · 29th March 2020, 08:59 PM

I would strongly recommend the new book by Eric Claude on Moroccan and Algerian edged weapons.
Charles was kind enough to post its ordering information on the Swap Forum.

Sajen · 29th March 2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I would strongly recommend the new book by Eric Claude on Moroccan and Algerian edged weapons.
Charles was kind enough to post its ordering information on the Swap Forum.

Yes, I've seen the threads about this book. Just have ordered Steel and Magic since it's about my main interest. When I would have enough money I would have many many more books!

Regards,
Detlef

ariel · 29th March 2020, 10:40 PM

Well, to each his own. I also ordered Steel and Magic, even though it is not my area of interest.
But these days and for quite some time I am mostly collecting good books. There are so many things I learn from them!

One thing I have learned from Eric's book is that nobody, but nobody, in Morocco calls a Koummya "koummya". It is a Khanjar.
And that shorted some neurons deep in the amphibious part of the brain....:-)

What always puzzled me is the peculiar, practically unique, way of sharpening the edges of Koummya. It is double edged, but the convex side is sharpened only on the distal ~ 1/3 , whereas the concave side has 1/2-3/4 of it sharpened.

There are not very frequent examples of Persian khanjars with a very similar construction.
Anybody has an opinion whether it is just parallel development or a borrowed idea, and whether the local Moroccan moniker reflects it?

29th March 2020, 03:01 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	The khodmi almost universally have the wire wrapping on the grip, unlike the 'vendetta style ones. They may be Bou Saadi made tho. the spines on khodmi often have a tiny step and notch on the spine at the tip. On some this is worn newer ones seen not to have them. Some khodmi with wood/horn gips have been sold in Europe as 'Medieval eating knives' Attached Images

29th March 2020, 10:40 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, to each his own. I also ordered Steel and Magic, even though it is not my area of interest. But these days and for quite some time I am mostly collecting good books. There are so many things I learn from them! One thing I have learned from Eric's book is that nobody, but nobody, in Morocco calls a Koummya "koummya". It is a Khanjar. And that shorted some neurons deep in the amphibious part of the brain....:-) What always puzzled me is the peculiar, practically unique, way of sharpening the edges of Koummya. It is double edged, but the convex side is sharpened only on the distal ~ 1/3 , whereas the concave side has 1/2-3/4 of it sharpened. There are not very frequent examples of Persian khanjars with a very similar construction. Anybody has an opinion whether it is just parallel development or a borrowed idea, and whether the local Moroccan moniker reflects it? Attached Images

29th March 2020, 03:32 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi You have a North African pseudo pesh kabz. More seriously it's more a Moroccan janwi or genoui than a khodmi... The grip is very similar to the shula and the size to the janwi. I vote for Morocco. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24849

29th March 2020, 08:59 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I would strongly recommend the new book by Eric Claude on Moroccan and Algerian edged weapons. Charles was kind enough to post its ordering information on the Swap Forum.