Is it a katar dagger ?

francantolin · 27th January 2020, 08:47 PM

Hello,

I found this picture of old indians swords an harpoon,
comes from Paul Jaiwant book Arms and Armour of India.
archaic models.

I don't pretend mine is so old ( or just a real old !! )
but it can be a mix between this old ''antenna'' sword and a katar,
used in two ways, as a small sword or as a push dagger .

Just an idea but why not ?!...

For the handle efficiency-handling, I will try to wrap the bar with a strip of cloth 2-3cm thick and tell you.

francantolin · 27th January 2020, 08:50 PM

Three other pictures of the dagger,
one side is much damaged/a lot of small holes,
the other side is in better conditions...

Kind regards

Kubur · 28th January 2020, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

used in two ways, as a small sword or as a push dagger .

Hi
The push daggers are secured by fingers.
The way your tool is made you cannot do that...

francantolin · 28th January 2020, 10:06 AM

Hello,
a blacksmith told me that for him it was a really old ( spear ?) blade
separated in two parts at the basis in a second time much later...

For make a katar ?! or a tool ?!

Jens Nordlunde · 28th January 2020, 04:30 PM

You are right Kronckew. Katars seem to have had different forms, till they ended up looking 'more or less' alike. These different forms seem to have been used at the same time, although far more research has to be done on the subject.
Below is one of mine, former in The Norris Castle Collection, UK. South Indian possible Deccan 17th century.
If the katar started as a tool, is a question I cant answer - as I dont know, and I have no where seen any hint of this.

27th January 2020, 08:47 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, I found this picture of old indians swords an harpoon, comes from Paul Jaiwant book Arms and Armour of India. archaic models. I don't pretend mine is so old ( or just a real old !! ) but it can be a mix between this old ''antenna'' sword and a katar, used in two ways, as a small sword or as a push dagger . Just an idea but why not ?!... For the handle efficiency-handling, I will try to wrap the bar with a strip of cloth 2-3cm thick and tell you. Attached Images

27th January 2020, 08:50 PM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Three other pictures of the dagger, one side is much damaged/a lot of small holes, the other side is in better conditions... Kind regards Attached Images

28th January 2020, 04:30 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	You are right Kronckew. Katars seem to have had different forms, till they ended up looking 'more or less' alike. These different forms seem to have been used at the same time, although far more research has to be done on the subject. Below is one of mine, former in The Norris Castle Collection, UK. South Indian possible Deccan 17th century. If the katar started as a tool, is a question I cant answer - as I dont know, and I have no where seen any hint of this. Attached Images

28th January 2020, 10:06 AM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, a blacksmith told me that for him it was a really old ( spear ?) blade separated in two parts at the basis in a second time much later... For make a katar ?! or a tool ?!