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27th January 2020, 03:42 PM
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Thank you Marius, but I will show you the statue from where the katar, shown as a deawing, in my article origins. Its from a temple from Orissa build in the 10th century.
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27th January 2020, 04:17 PM
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Sorry Jens.
It was on;y a suggestion. I wasn't seeking to prove anything. Regards Richard |
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27th January 2020, 05:09 PM
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The sculpture is a proof that katars existed and were used as early as 10 century. However, the sculpture is strongly stylised and cannot be consdidered as an accurate description of the precise geometry of the katar. Also it would have been technically very difficult to make the katar in the sculpture with longer arms as they would have broken during the sculpting process. Because of the artistic stylization, even the position of the hand holding the katar in the sculpture would make any thrust highly ineffective... Last but not least, even the highly stylised katar in the sculpture resembles more to the clasic katars we know (with a characteristic triangular blade) than to the "item" in the original posting. Do you know of any extant historical example of a katar like the one in the original posting? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 27th January 2020 at 06:38 PM. |
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27th January 2020, 08:47 PM
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Hello,
I found this picture of old indians swords an harpoon, comes from Paul Jaiwant book Arms and Armour of India. archaic models. I don't pretend mine is so old ( or just a real old !! ) but it can be a mix between this old ''antenna'' sword and a katar, used in two ways, as a small sword or as a push dagger . Just an idea but why not ?!... For the handle efficiency-handling, I will try to wrap the bar with a strip of cloth 2-3cm thick and tell you. |
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27th January 2020, 08:50 PM
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Three other pictures of the dagger,
one side is much damaged/a lot of small holes, the other side is in better conditions... Kind regards |
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28th January 2020, 08:13 AM
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Hi The push daggers are secured by fingers. The way your tool is made you cannot do that... 
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28th January 2020, 10:06 AM
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Hello,
a blacksmith told me that for him it was a really old ( spear ?) blade separated in two parts at the basis in a second time much later... For make a katar ?! or a tool ?! |
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28th January 2020, 04:30 PM
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You are right Kronckew. Katars seem to have had different forms, till they ended up looking 'more or less' alike. These different forms seem to have been used at the same time, although far more research has to be done on the subject.
Below is one of mine, former in The Norris Castle Collection, UK. South Indian possible Deccan 17th century. If the katar started as a tool, is a question I cant answer - as I dont know, and I have no where seen any hint of this. |
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