Is it a katar dagger ?

ariel · 25th January 2020, 07:50 PM

Certamente!

I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators.
Oh, what the hell!
当然

fernando · 25th January 2020, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Certamente!

I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators.
Oh, what the hell!
当然

That your impulses never be worse, אריאל‎

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Jens Nordlunde · 27th January 2020, 09:33 PM

Frankie, no way that your weapon was held like this.

Richard, dont say you are sorry, as there is no reason to be. You came up with a sugestion. and this is as this forum works. Others may have other thoughts, and will say so.

Marius, no I dont. My guess is, that any 'old' katar is still to be found in the earth (ealier battle fields), or have been melted down centuries ago.

kronckew · 28th January 2020, 05:18 AM

From Pitt Rivers museum:

Robert · 28th January 2020, 07:26 AM

For the last few days I have been trying with no luck to locate an old gardening tool owned by my Great Grandmother called a dibble. Though not quite as large as the one being discussed here it too has a shovel style handle and a diamond profiled blade. These were used for planting and while some have only a round blade for punching holes into the soil others had blades like this that were used not only for planting seeds but for cutting sod and roots. Below is a photo of a newer example with a round blade. If this is a dibble (as I suspect it to be) it could have been pushed into the soil forgotten and lost for years which would explain the overall heavily rusted condition.

Best,
Robert

Kubur · 28th January 2020, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert

If this is a dibble (as I suspect it to be) it could have been pushed into the soil forgotten and lost for years which would explain the overall heavily rusted condition.
Best,
Robert

Unless your dibble is a katar, I vote for the dibble.

The rusted condition means nothing look at all the Chinese swords fakes or the Central Asian sword fakes...

Jens Nordlunde · 25th January 2020, 09:42 PM

Well Ariel, it was not Anup Singh - it was his brother who was very big.
As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business?

francantolin · 25th January 2020, 11:16 PM

Hello,
Thank you Jens for your precious comments about giant fighters !!

I hesitate to use too another alphabet

but I prefer continue with my bad english !!

I wonder why it's so corroded while really old katars or swords 15-16th century) have still a nice blade.
Only the way they keep/ preserve it ?

The composition of the steel could have an influence ?

Was this one only made of iron or did it sleep under water or wet soil during a century ?

I try in another forum specialised in archeology-minerals if they can help for date it, we'll see what they say...

Kind regards

francantolin · 25th January 2020, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello,
Thank you Jens for your precious comments about giant fighters !!

I hesitate to use too another alphabet

but I prefer continue with my bad english !!

I wonder why it's so corroded while really old katars or swords 15-16th century) have still a nice blade.
Only the way they keep/ preserve it ?

The composition of the steel could have an influence ?

Was this one only made of iron or did it sleep under water or wet soil during a century ?

I try in another forum specialised in archeology-minerals if they can help for date it, we'll see what they say...

Kind regards

But ''YOU'' are REALLY the best forum for reactivity, universal and university knowledge...... and fun !

Thank you !

ariel · 26th January 2020, 12:56 AM

I have several excavated nomadic sabers 8-11 century. Same appearance.

fernando · 26th January 2020, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

... As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business? ...

My appologies for your disapproval of some innocent words in Hebrew (Ariel's other language), in consonance with Frankie's "Amen" previous expression. Nothing secret or offensive; and availble at Google translator, a source that many of us often use to convert into English important information for our discussions.
We are always down to business, Jens !

Jens Nordlunde · 26th January 2020, 02:43 PM

Thank you Fernando

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kronckew · 26th January 2020, 12:07 AM

बेशक

28th January 2020, 05:18 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	From Pitt Rivers museum: Attached Images

28th January 2020, 07:26 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	For the last few days I have been trying with no luck to locate an old gardening tool owned by my Great Grandmother called a dibble. Though not quite as large as the one being discussed here it too has a shovel style handle and a diamond profiled blade. These were used for planting and while some have only a round blade for punching holes into the soil others had blades like this that were used not only for planting seeds but for cutting sod and roots. Below is a photo of a newer example with a round blade. If this is a dibble (as I suspect it to be) it could have been pushed into the soil forgotten and lost for years which would explain the overall heavily rusted condition. Best, Robert Attached Images

26th January 2020, 02:43 PM	#12
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Thank you Fernando.

25th January 2020, 07:50 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Certamente! I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators. Oh, what the hell! 当然

27th January 2020, 09:33 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Frankie, no way that your weapon was held like this. Richard, dont say you are sorry, as there is no reason to be. You came up with a sugestion. and this is as this forum works. Others may have other thoughts, and will say so. Marius, no I dont. My guess is, that any 'old' katar is still to be found in the earth (ealier battle fields), or have been melted down centuries ago.

25th January 2020, 09:42 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Well Ariel, it was not Anup Singh - it was his brother who was very big. As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business?

25th January 2020, 11:16 PM	#8
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, Thank you Jens for your precious comments about giant fighters !! I hesitate to use too another alphabet but I prefer continue with my bad english !! I wonder why it's so corroded while really old katars or swords 15-16th century) have still a nice blade. Only the way they keep/ preserve it ? The composition of the steel could have an influence ? Was this one only made of iron or did it sleep under water or wet soil during a century ? I try in another forum specialised in archeology-minerals if they can help for date it, we'll see what they say... Kind regards

26th January 2020, 12:56 AM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have several excavated nomadic sabers 8-11 century. Same appearance.

26th January 2020, 12:07 AM	#13
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	बेशक