Is it a katar dagger ?

Richard G · 25th January 2020, 02:00 PM

Could it be a slaughterer's sticking knife?
Regards
Richard

Jens Nordlunde · 25th January 2020, 04:10 PM

Frankie, in many Indian states stories are told about single, 'gigant warriors'.
Like the brother of Maharaja Anup Singh of Bikaner (b. 1638 d. 1698), who had to have weapons made especially to him, as other (normal) weapons were too small. His weapons are said to be on exhibition at the Bikaner Museum.
I dont know if this is the case with your katar, but it is a possibility.

Richard, I dont think a slaughter's sticking knife would have had a diamond shaped blade.

ariel · 25th January 2020, 04:47 PM

Fernando,

אָמֵן

ariel · 25th January 2020, 04:51 PM

I found a portrait of Anup Singh, but to my disappointment he exhibited no signs of acromegaly/gigantism.

I shall console myself with a thought that his court painters presented him as a handsome chap.

Well, Shivaji, who was very short was depicted as a VERY BIG individual.

Flattery gets you anywhere:-)

fernando · 25th January 2020, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Fernando,

אָמֵן

נכון

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ariel · 25th January 2020, 07:50 PM

Certamente!

I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators.
Oh, what the hell!
当然

fernando · 25th January 2020, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Certamente!

I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators.
Oh, what the hell!
当然

That your impulses never be worse, אריאל‎

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Jens Nordlunde · 27th January 2020, 09:33 PM

Frankie, no way that your weapon was held like this.

Richard, dont say you are sorry, as there is no reason to be. You came up with a sugestion. and this is as this forum works. Others may have other thoughts, and will say so.

Marius, no I dont. My guess is, that any 'old' katar is still to be found in the earth (ealier battle fields), or have been melted down centuries ago.

Jens Nordlunde · 25th January 2020, 09:42 PM

Well Ariel, it was not Anup Singh - it was his brother who was very big.
As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business?

francantolin · 25th January 2020, 11:16 PM

Hello,
Thank you Jens for your precious comments about giant fighters !!

I hesitate to use too another alphabet

but I prefer continue with my bad english !!

I wonder why it's so corroded while really old katars or swords 15-16th century) have still a nice blade.
Only the way they keep/ preserve it ?

The composition of the steel could have an influence ?

Was this one only made of iron or did it sleep under water or wet soil during a century ?

I try in another forum specialised in archeology-minerals if they can help for date it, we'll see what they say...

Kind regards

fernando · 26th January 2020, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

... As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business? ...

My appologies for your disapproval of some innocent words in Hebrew (Ariel's other language), in consonance with Frankie's "Amen" previous expression. Nothing secret or offensive; and availble at Google translator, a source that many of us often use to convert into English important information for our discussions.
We are always down to business, Jens !

kronckew · 26th January 2020, 12:07 AM

बेशक

Richard G · 27th January 2020, 12:10 PM

Richard, I dont think a slaughter's sticking knife would have had a diamond shaped blade.[/QUOTE]

Why not Jens?
Many of the modern ones have diamond shaped blades,=.
Regards
Richard

Jens Nordlunde · 27th January 2020, 02:57 PM

Richard so you found a butchers knife on the net, with a diamond shaped blade. This does not proof anything, and besides from that, I am sure the steel is of a different quality than the steel used for the katar originally shown.

25th January 2020, 04:10 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Frankie, in many Indian states stories are told about single, 'gigant warriors'. Like the brother of Maharaja Anup Singh of Bikaner (b. 1638 d. 1698), who had to have weapons made especially to him, as other (normal) weapons were too small. His weapons are said to be on exhibition at the Bikaner Museum. I dont know if this is the case with your katar, but it is a possibility. Richard, I dont think a slaughter's sticking knife would have had a diamond shaped blade. Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 25th January 2020 at 04:34 PM.

25th January 2020, 04:51 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I found a portrait of Anup Singh, but to my disappointment he exhibited no signs of acromegaly/gigantism. I shall console myself with a thought that his court painters presented him as a handsome chap. Well, Shivaji, who was very short was depicted as a VERY BIG individual. Flattery gets you anywhere:-) Last edited by ariel; 25th January 2020 at 07:53 PM.

27th January 2020, 12:10 PM	#13
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Richard, I dont think a slaughter's sticking knife would have had a diamond shaped blade.[/QUOTE] Why not Jens? Many of the modern ones have diamond shaped blades,=. Regards Richard Attached Images

25th January 2020, 02:00 PM	#1
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Could it be a slaughterer's sticking knife? Regards Richard

25th January 2020, 04:47 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Fernando, אָמֵן

25th January 2020, 07:50 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Certamente! I had a sadistic impulse to respond in Chinese, but was concerned with the reaction of our moderators. Oh, what the hell! 当然

27th January 2020, 09:33 PM	#8
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Frankie, no way that your weapon was held like this. Richard, dont say you are sorry, as there is no reason to be. You came up with a sugestion. and this is as this forum works. Others may have other thoughts, and will say so. Marius, no I dont. My guess is, that any 'old' katar is still to be found in the earth (ealier battle fields), or have been melted down centuries ago.

25th January 2020, 09:42 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Well Ariel, it was not Anup Singh - it was his brother who was very big. As not many of us know the language, nor read it, in which the two are writing - can we come down to business?

25th January 2020, 11:16 PM	#10
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, Thank you Jens for your precious comments about giant fighters !! I hesitate to use too another alphabet but I prefer continue with my bad english !! I wonder why it's so corroded while really old katars or swords 15-16th century) have still a nice blade. Only the way they keep/ preserve it ? The composition of the steel could have an influence ? Was this one only made of iron or did it sleep under water or wet soil during a century ? I try in another forum specialised in archeology-minerals if they can help for date it, we'll see what they say... Kind regards

26th January 2020, 12:07 AM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	बेशक

27th January 2020, 02:57 PM	#14
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Richard so you found a butchers knife on the net, with a diamond shaped blade. This does not proof anything, and besides from that, I am sure the steel is of a different quality than the steel used for the katar originally shown.