Strange flintlock gun

Kmaddock · 8th January 2020, 05:25 PM

Hi
Most locks I have seen with Brass Pans have been French so this would be my guess
have a google of
1777 French Flintlock rifle
and you will see similar style
regards
Ken

fernando · 8th January 2020, 05:54 PM

Bizarre !
It does have some 1777 looks indeed but, that whole lock design

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I assume the touch hole is on the first concavity, right ?

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corrado26 · 8th January 2020, 06:12 PM

No, the touchhole is in the middle. Compare it with the lock of an osmanic pistol

fernando · 8th January 2020, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

... No, the touchhole is in the middle...

Oh ... i see now; my bad

SchildaBrit · 8th January 2020, 09:15 PM

"There are no marks or stamps on it and the brass pan..."

I'm not surprised. The fuzzy photos make it difficult to judge, but the cock appears to have been made up by bending sheet metal. And that makes it, in my eyes, a modern effort "in the style of...".

Lockplate also looks like a bit of modern sheet metal, cock fixing screw also modern? It may include some original parts, but the lock assembly as a whole is IMHO not from the same period as the musket - which looks like a cut-down.

All this is just my opinion. Better photos would help.

Fernando K · 8th January 2020, 09:41 PM

Hi

In my modest opinion it is a recently built lock. The cat's foot has a strange shape, it is not the C-shaped cat's foot (cock) of Boutet's productions, or in "gooseneck" or in the reinforced, like some English weapons or the "chien a espalet" "of the French. The anti-friction wheel in the frizzen spring, the rain-proof bowl and the cock top are seen in fine weapons, be they dueling or sports, never in military weapons. It is known that Ottoman weapons copied European designs, so they find "rainproof". For me, brass or bronze was chosen because they are easier to work. It would be necessary to see the inside of the lock, to see if something is discovered

Affectionately

corrado26 · 9th January 2020, 09:16 AM

.............and here some better fotos of the lock. I don't believe that the lock is a modern make, some items show the number "2" and its fit into the wooden stock is very good. It is correct that the frizzen roll normally has been not in use at any army but perhaps this gun goes back to the order of an infantry officer who wanted to have a faster shooting flintlock gun?!?!
corrado26

8th January 2020, 05:54 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Bizarre ! It does have some 1777 looks indeed but, that whole lock design . I assume the touch hole is on the first concavity, right ? . Attached Images

8th January 2020, 06:12 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	No, the touchhole is in the middle. Compare it with the lock of an osmanic pistol Attached Images

9th January 2020, 09:16 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	.............and here some better fotos of the lock. I don't believe that the lock is a modern make, some items show the number "2" and its fit into the wooden stock is very good. It is correct that the frizzen roll normally has been not in use at any army but perhaps this gun goes back to the order of an infantry officer who wanted to have a faster shooting flintlock gun?!?! corrado26 Attached Images Last edited by corrado26; 9th January 2020 at 10:02 AM.

8th January 2020, 05:25 PM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Most locks I have seen with Brass Pans have been French so this would be my guess have a google of 1777 French Flintlock rifle and you will see similar style regards Ken

8th January 2020, 09:15 PM	#5
SchildaBrit Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 33	"There are no marks or stamps on it and the brass pan..." I'm not surprised. The fuzzy photos make it difficult to judge, but the cock appears to have been made up by bending sheet metal. And that makes it, in my eyes, a modern effort "in the style of...". Lockplate also looks like a bit of modern sheet metal, cock fixing screw also modern? It may include some original parts, but the lock assembly as a whole is IMHO not from the same period as the musket - which looks like a cut-down. All this is just my opinion. Better photos would help.

8th January 2020, 09:41 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hi In my modest opinion it is a recently built lock. The cat's foot has a strange shape, it is not the C-shaped cat's foot (cock) of Boutet's productions, or in "gooseneck" or in the reinforced, like some English weapons or the "chien a espalet" "of the French. The anti-friction wheel in the frizzen spring, the rain-proof bowl and the cock top are seen in fine weapons, be they dueling or sports, never in military weapons. It is known that Ottoman weapons copied European designs, so they find "rainproof". For me, brass or bronze was chosen because they are easier to work. It would be necessary to see the inside of the lock, to see if something is discovered Affectionately