Scottish Broad Sword

corrado26 · 23rd December 2019, 03:23 PM

On both sides of the blade is the same lettering!

Victrix · 23rd December 2019, 04:42 PM

OK. As I understand it the blades could typically have a family motto or some Latin quote on it. I guess it could have been abbreviated. I have a schiavona with a not too dissimilar blade which has half a Latin motto on each side of the blade.

Alternatively, I guess the text could represent a prayer like (I)N (N)OMINE...but not sure what MINI would stand for. It’s not a palindrome but not far off.

corrado26 · 25th December 2019, 08:31 AM

Is there really no idea what this "NI - MINI" could stand for?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 25th December 2019, 02:30 PM

This is a long and ongoing puzzle on sword blades...

Inlays on blades were nothing new in the 12th century. For centuries before, the Ulfberht and Ingelrii sword firms had been marking their products with their names inlayed along the fuller, as had other smiths. In the 11th century, the type X swords began to show a distinction in their decoration – while one side of the sword still bears the maker’s name, the other was inlayed with a religious inscription. The most common was “INNOMINEDOMINI” (“In the name of God”), although this is often misspelled.

Please see ..https://issuu.com/horsebackarchers/d...armour_from_pr and this is one of those open books available to read on line... thus Oakeshott can be read and at chapter 12 there is a lot of detail on the latin inscription noted here.

corrado26 · 25th December 2019, 03:42 PM

Many, many thanks, I knew that I get help from here. The problem is now to date this blade. Is it really so much older than the hilt?

corrado26

Battara · 25th December 2019, 08:23 PM

What beautiful condition!

My question: is this Scottish or actually English? The top of the hilt looks more English to me.

M ELEY · 25th December 2019, 09:29 PM

My vote is Scottish. The English pommels were still more 'bun-shaped'. Also, from the style of the basket, this appears post-Rebellion, so many of the Scottish swords of the next period (1770's on) were essentially Scottish troops serving the English, when the basket patterns began to look more 'English' in style. Beautiful basket!

corrado26 · 28th December 2019, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

“INNOMINEDOMINI” (“In the name of God”),

Ibrahijm, I think you got it: “INNOMINEDOMINI” should be the solution.
Thanks a lot
corrado26

Jens Nordlunde · 28th December 2019, 09:40 PM

Ciomments speared the readers:-)

25th December 2019, 02:30 PM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This is a long and ongoing puzzle on sword blades... Inlays on blades were nothing new in the 12th century. For centuries before, the Ulfberht and Ingelrii sword firms had been marking their products with their names inlayed along the fuller, as had other smiths. In the 11th century, the type X swords began to show a distinction in their decoration – while one side of the sword still bears the maker’s name, the other was inlayed with a religious inscription. The most common was “INNOMINEDOMINI” (“In the name of God”), although this is often misspelled. Please see ..https://issuu.com/horsebackarchers/d...armour_from_pr and this is one of those open books available to read on line... thus Oakeshott can be read and at chapter 12 there is a lot of detail on the latin inscription noted here. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 25th December 2019 at 02:47 PM.

23rd December 2019, 03:23 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	On both sides of the blade is the same lettering!

23rd December 2019, 04:42 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	OK. As I understand it the blades could typically have a family motto or some Latin quote on it. I guess it could have been abbreviated. I have a schiavona with a not too dissimilar blade which has half a Latin motto on each side of the blade. Alternatively, I guess the text could represent a prayer like (I)N (N)OMINE...but not sure what MINI would stand for. It’s not a palindrome but not far off.

25th December 2019, 08:31 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	Is there really no idea what this "NI - MINI" could stand for?

25th December 2019, 03:42 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	Many, many thanks, I knew that I get help from here. The problem is now to date this blade. Is it really so much older than the hilt? corrado26

25th December 2019, 08:23 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	What beautiful condition! My question: is this Scottish or actually English? The top of the hilt looks more English to me.

25th December 2019, 09:29 PM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	My vote is Scottish. The English pommels were still more 'bun-shaped'. Also, from the style of the basket, this appears post-Rebellion, so many of the Scottish swords of the next period (1770's on) were essentially Scottish troops serving the English, when the basket patterns began to look more 'English' in style. Beautiful basket!

28th December 2019, 09:40 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ciomments speared the readers:-)