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![]() Wait till we see the whole thing. Remember the (Wundes) Kings heads are one of those symbols known to be replicated by the competition. |
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Good point, Fernando. As the sword will take a while to get to me, I might post the auction pics once I download them.
I am assuming the competition was still contemporary with the Wundes family? If that is the case, at least the time line would be the same (roughly)... |
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Hey everyone. I posted this broadsword (with existing auction pics, don't have the sword yet!) under 'Basket hilted swords' (Cathey's post). I'll post more pics once I get sword in hand to narrow down the Wundes marks.
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Well, I'll post it here as well. The German broadsword blade is fitted into a nice Scottish basket hilt, circa 1700. Here's the sword-
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I love the fact this sword is on the timeline of 1715 and "the 45" (Jacobite Rebellion). The rounded thin bars and 'S' guard indicative of the Stirling sword makers.
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It turns out Ulfberth posted a half-basket sword with the exact king's head marking - here's the pics
And here's the thread- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...sh+basket+hilt I am not arguing as to the absoluteness of this being the Wundes mark. As I understand it, there might have been copiers of their mark. The 4 heads do appear of the pattern of Peter Wundes. As in Ulfberth's sword marking, there are no 'Andrea Ferara' lettering in between, but I'm not sure this is a deal-breaker for it not being Wundes. Just as we've seen that the different family members changed their logo over time (and they were around for an awfully long time!), I'd have to see proof that the Ferara marking was always present, especially for blades that were purely made for export- ![]() ![]() In any case, at the very least, I think we can all agree the sword is period and not a reworking or a fake. Soon to have it in my grasp! Can't wait! ![]() Note that Ulfberth's pictured sword is an English officer's type dating late 17th/early 18th c. Last edited by M ELEY; 19th December 2019 at 09:03 AM. Reason: editing |
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Hi Mark
Thank you for posting this and the link! It is good to see this thread from 2016 which I honestly had forgotten about. From this it is clear what a learning curve there is in the study of arms, and why I always say of myself, while I have 'studied' (obsessed) with swords for nearly five decades, I still truly feel effectively a student as I NEVER stop learning. This interesting example posted by Ulfberth is indeed an English type of about 1740s+. Here the 'S' element (with scrolls) is seen as simply structural without specific symbolism, and aesthetically applied. Rereading my notes from 2016, the kings head seems to have been 'acquired' by Weyersberg c. 1770s. As I have held, while German blade makers were well known to spuriously use key Spanish marks and wording/names, with some Italian, it does not seem they used those of their peers. Here I would note that terms like 'always' or 'never' must be considered with profound caveat, as of course there were bound to be exceptions. In my view, the 'kings heads' marking convention of the Wundes 'dynasty' does appear to have had variations, and with that, the 'four' heads pattern seems to be the case. While the interpolation of the popular ANDREA FERARA in my estimation would suggest added imbuement to the mystique of the already notable Wundes mark. It seems that the four heads, and with this famed name exist in more abundance than I had been aware, but I still contend that it was not a standard, but a known variation. These kinds of anomalies only add to the mystique and inherent charm of these amazing Scottish swords! ![]() I cant wait for you to get it too Cap'n!!!! |
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