Early polearm or Lochaber axe or something else ?

kronckew · 17th November 2019, 10:04 AM

found this 'Croatian Bardiche' on a bing search

Victrix · 17th November 2019, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

found this 'Croatian Bardiche' on a bing search

From the caption I think the bardiche on the left is described as Russian. The war axe on the right is described as Croatian.

kronckew · 17th November 2019, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

From the caption I think the bardiche on the left is described as Russian. The war axe on the right is described as Croatian.

Yes, the search I did was for "Croatian AND Bardiche" just "bardiche" or "russian bardiche did not bring up anything useful. I Added "Croatian" based on another photo that appeared to be germaine, also no ref. noted.

The page says it's Russian, appears to be in German,title of the book was cut off. One of our more bookish experts who have exhaustive libraries may recognise it.

cornelistromp · 17th November 2019, 03:10 PM

post 6 is from Europaische Hieb-und stichwaffen , Mueller koelling.

the early halberds of my post 4 are from Hafted weapons in medieval and renaissance Europe by John Waldman

best,

Victrix · 17th November 2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

post 6 is from Europaische Hieb-und stichwaffen , Mueller koelling.

the early halberds of my post 4 are from Hafted weapons in medieval and renaissance Europe by John Waldman

best,

Thank you for that, Jasper. I think Waldman and Snook are the classics when it comes to halberds. I had forgotten how good the former is -had to look it up again!

kronckew · 17th November 2019, 05:41 PM

Thanks, cornelistromp, looks like a cool book. Will have to buy a copy when I win the lottery. Expensive book.

broadaxe · 21st November 2019, 07:36 PM

Sorry to burst the bubble, it is a French agri-tool called coup-marc.

corrado26 · 27th January 2020, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

From the caption I think the bardiche on the left is described as Russian. The war axe on the right is described as Croatian.

As the picture have the numbers 213 and 214, not 211/212, the left one is a war axe from Croatia (213) and foot war axe of ca. 1500 (214)

pictures 211/212 show the following arms:

Victrix · 27th January 2020, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

As the picture have the numbers 213 and 214, not 211/212, the left one is a war axe from Croatia (213) and foot war axe of ca. 1500 (214)

pictures 211/212 show the following arms:

Yes makes sense.

BUCC_Guy · 6th March 2020, 03:26 AM

It’s in a family of blades that I’ve seen on the market that are usually attributed to the French. Sale ads range from 16th to 18th century. They have a voulge-like blade and unusually small mounting holes, with the blade often curved backwards over the pole.

I have attached a random example of what I’m talking about.

Whether they are actually weapons... or French... is beyond me.

Cerjak · 4th May 2020, 07:38 AM

Description made by Christies in 2012

A LARGE IRON VOUGE STAFF-WEAPON HEAD
ALMOST CERTAINLY 15TH CENTURY
With heavy curved blade (tips reprofiled) struck on one face with a series of marks and on the other face with one corresponding mark, with two forge-welded sockets, the cutting-edge probably originally forge-welded steel (heavy discolouration and corrosion marking throughout)
18½in. (47cm.) long

Cerjak · 4th May 2020, 07:49 AM

Exhibit in the Higgins Armory Museum, 100 Barber Avenue, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA

17th November 2019, 10:04 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	found this 'Croatian Bardiche' on a bing search Attached Images

17th November 2019, 05:41 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Thanks, cornelistromp, looks like a cool book. Will have to buy a copy when I win the lottery. Expensive book. Attached Images

6th March 2020, 03:26 AM	#10
BUCC_Guy Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 52	It’s in a family of blades that I’ve seen on the market that are usually attributed to the French. Sale ads range from 16th to 18th century. They have a voulge-like blade and unusually small mounting holes, with the blade often curved backwards over the pole. I have attached a random example of what I’m talking about. Whether they are actually weapons... or French... is beyond me. Attached Images

4th May 2020, 07:38 AM	#11
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	A LARGE IRON VOUGE STAFF-WEAPON HEAD Description made by Christies in 2012 A LARGE IRON VOUGE STAFF-WEAPON HEAD ALMOST CERTAINLY 15TH CENTURY With heavy curved blade (tips reprofiled) struck on one face with a series of marks and on the other face with one corresponding mark, with two forge-welded sockets, the cutting-edge probably originally forge-welded steel (heavy discolouration and corrosion marking throughout) 18½in. (47cm.) long Attached Images

4th May 2020, 07:49 AM	#12
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Exhibit in the Higgins Armory Museum, 100 Barber Avenue, Worcester, Massachusetts, US Exhibit in the Higgins Armory Museum, 100 Barber Avenue, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA Attached Images

17th November 2019, 03:10 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	post 6 is from Europaische Hieb-und stichwaffen , Mueller koelling. the early halberds of my post 4 are from Hafted weapons in medieval and renaissance Europe by John Waldman best,

21st November 2019, 07:36 PM	#7
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Sorry to burst the bubble, it is a French agri-tool called coup-marc.