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10th October 2019, 03:21 PM
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I think you might be correct re. Inlay in some cogwheels.
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10th October 2019, 03:58 PM
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Oh yes, there are traces of inlay.
In the stars as well as in the round stamp. |
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10th October 2019, 06:49 PM
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Well there you have it!!! Thank you Jens, could not see that in original images. This IS a European blade, not only were these type markings not copied (as far as I recall) by Indian armourers, I do not recall ever seeing latten (gold metal inlay) in such markings. Obviously Mughal blades had such inlay in cartouches and inscriptions etc. but never used on these rather pedestrian markings. That central circle has the dentations in surround much like the ones on the sickle marks, and the cogwheels are known in combination as bracketing the dentated arcs. This may be a variation of markings as so commonly seen on Italian blades . |
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10th October 2019, 08:02 PM
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Thank you Jens for enhancing my original pic. It now shows the inlay quite clearly......and thank you Jim for identifying the marks as European. Now all we need is someone to identify who the marks belong to!
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10th October 2019, 09:49 PM
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Stu, there's the rub!
Markings are a pretty sticky wicket most of the time, especially these kinds of variant groupings which seem to have been used collectively on blades in certain sectors of production and in various times. While there were certain cases of certain devices and symbolic images which can be attributed to certain makers, the spurious cross use of these and others which may have had other meanings have been used in a quality imbuement sense. Personally I am inclined to place the markings on your blade in a German context, as the use of gold metal inlay was a very much German proclivity. Naturally as with anything, there are no hard and fast rules, but it is just my own sense of the case of such use. The gold metal fill in the marks were probably spuriously applied as interpretations of Italian markings seen and in the kind of astral grouping used often on European blades. I wish there was a way to align particular blades to certain makers with European instances, but aside from the registered or documented ones, these kinds of generalized devices were usually used broadly by many providers. |
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10th October 2019, 10:48 PM
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No one is seeing an half moon like me??
European half moon faces filled with cooper or brass? Absolutely not convinced that it is European... Please show me some similar blades from Europe... Nice sword by the way |
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10th October 2019, 11:19 PM
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ohhh what a surprise an Indian sword
with an Indian blade with the same little stars... 
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