Mace from Bukhara.

[Kubur]

Question: have you seen any engraving or ancient document showing Bukharan men with this mace? I think many of these maces so-called bukhara maces are not from Bukhara.

[Jens Nordlunde]

Mahratt, when you compare the marks on the stone head, to the ones in Toben's article, it does seem to be the same mace.
Funny to see the mace again after so many years. Congratulations:-).

[mross]

Yep, Those pic leave no doubt. Rotate yours about a quarter turn clockwise and the markings line up exactly.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Mahratt, when you compare the marks on the stone head, to the ones in Toben's article, it does seem to be the same mace.
Funny to see the mace again after so many years. Congratulations:-).

Jens, thanks
Yes, the world of collectors is not very large.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Question: have you seen any engraving or ancient document showing Bukharan men with this mace? I think many of these maces so-called bukhara maces are not from Bukhara.

Kubur, this is a very good question.
Unfortunately I have not seen any images Bukharan men with this mace. I know only one document of the late 19th century, which describes a diplomatic reception at the Emir of Bukhara. This document mentions important dignitaries who had richly decorated axes and maces in their hands.
I know for sure that my mace and maces, which are kept in Denmark in private collections and an ethnographic museum, were brought from Bukhara by Danish officer and ethnographer Ole Olufsen in the late 19th century. Most of these maces are decorated in a style typical of Bukhra. These "Danish" maces can be called "standart".
It is logical to assume that maces similar to these "standart Bukhara maces" also originate from Bukhara.

The lack of images of Bukhara men with such maces can hardly be considered a serious argument ... For example, until recently, images of Bukhara men with Bukhara shashka were not known. Only one image - a picture of the artist Vereshchagin. But we know a lot of Bukhara shashkas, both in museums and in private collections.

[Kubur]

I asked that because there is another country where they use silver and turquoise and they have maces also... I wonder if one member knows which country I'm talking about...

[mahratt]

I suspect that you mean Iraq’s “swamp arabs" or Kurds. Although, of course, I could be wrong and you thought about another country.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by mahratt

I suspect that you mean Iraq’s “swamp arabs" or Kurds. Although, of course, I could be wrong and you thought about another country.

You are very very very good Mahratt
Yes indeed I'm thinking about Iraq.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by Kubur

You are very very very good Mahratt
Yes indeed I'm thinking about Iraq.

Thanks, Kubur.
It seems to me that there are a number of serious "But":
1) I can’t recall photos men from Iraq with such maces.
2) I can’t remember similar maces in museums that would be attributed to Iraq
3) if we assume that these maces come from Iraq, it is strange that Olufsen brought several of these maces from Bukhara

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

On the other hand, I have not seen a single well-known publication about such maces, except for all of us known article by Torben Flindt.
This is rather strange, since logically such maces were supposed to get into Russia as trophies, and not just to Denmark ... Although, maybe they are in some small provincial museums and are waiting for the researcher.

[Ren Ren]

It does not surprise me that Bukhara maces are similar to objects from other countries. The Bukhara emirate was a multinational state where two great Asian traditions met - Turkic and Persian.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by mahratt

Thanks, Kubur.
It seems to me that there are a number of serious "But":
1) I can’t recall photos men from Iraq with such maces.

I do, will post later

Originally Posted by mahratt

2) I can’t remember similar maces in museums that would be attributed to Iraq

You are right

Originally Posted by mahratt

assume that these maces come from Iraq, it is strange that Olufsen brought several of these maces from Bukhara

You are right they have to be from Bukhara, especially because they are associated to bukharan shashka

Originally Posted by mahratt

On the other hand, I have not seen a single well-known publication about such maces, except for all of us known article by Torben Flindt.
This is rather strange, since logically such maces were supposed to get into Russia as trophies, and not just to Denmark ...

That's my problem, only one article but collectors will follow blindly