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I agree with Detlef, for me is Toraja sword. The scabbard and handle (rare model) are typical.
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Hello Séverin & Detlef,
I sure can see where you're coming from! However, neither the hilt nor the scabbard are really "typical" Toraja (especially the widening at the scabbard mouth which seems to be more a trait of Sulawesi Selantan). Anyway, Banjar - a classic cultural melting pot - has seen a lot of influx from Gowa, especially, as well as other kingdoms and principalities on southwestern Sulawesi. Thus, it can be really tough to differentiate between imported pieces and those originating from there. Having stipulated all that, I'd also like to hear from AM what positively identifies this style as being of Banjar origin! Regards, Kai |
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Here's another example of this style for comparison. (Pic courtesy of mandaukudi)
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Hullo everybody!
![]() Please accept my apologies. At the time of posting, I had done some prior digging for more information on the object. However, I failed to find even a photo of anything similar to the article in question. So I could not make any really satisfactory judgement. It became a toss-up between southern Soelawesi and southern Kalamantan. As the handle most resembled that of a Bandjar hoeloe-boentoet, I took a punt on it and posted to shake the tree. After posting, I did some more digging and found items which were very similar from southern Soelawesi. As a matter of fact, I found that Arjan had, within the last few days, sold a similar item (as posted by kai). It appears that this particular hilt-style became ‘extinct’ by the 20thC. Also, such parangs are referred to by more apparently generic names as: alamang, dua lalan, la’bo’ to dolo, la’bo’ pinai, salapu, sonri, sudang, sumara, la'bo' bulange etc.; many relating to place of origin (la’bo’=sword). So, at this stage, I am still none the wiser regarding the specific names of the hilts or the blades. Thankfully, Soelawesi is not within my area of interest. It was a good exercise though. Again, my apologies. BTW Detlef, I do not use the term ‘kerekoepang’ (=sun-dried mussels). I find it hard to believe that the 'old people' would’ve coined such a term for the parang. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=kerekoepang: ParangKadjangRoengkoep http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=kerekoepang: ParangBoengkoel http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ght=kerekoepang: ParangLais Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 10th September 2019 at 12:20 AM. |
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Hullo everybody!
![]() Just thought I'd add this Peit (ref. fig.15B) for posterity. Best, |
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Hullo everybody!
![]() Just for 'completeness' (ref. posts #9 & #11). Both are everyday-use items (also sometimes referred to as: parang), from the 1st. quarter of the 20thC. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 13th January 2021 at 05:03 AM. Reason: add info |
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Hullo everybody!
![]() Just decluttering my Bandjar stuff: - Lading (knife; when used for tapping, it's referred to as 'lading sadap'). - Karis Setjang. Hope it's of use to somebody. Best, |
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