Twist core fullered blade moro kris for id please

Battara · 23rd August 2019, 02:04 AM

I agree with Kai - close ups of the base of the hilt would be helpful.

That being said, it is a nice Sulu blade, perhaps early 1800s, with great twist core. It would be good to get a good polish and etch, and a proper hilt and clamp on it too.

The present hilt looks to be a modern add on.

Ian · 23rd August 2019, 04:00 AM

Hi chief,

A lovely blade and I agree with Kai and Jose--better pics needed. Congratulations again for a very nice find. I'm not sure whether this one ever had a "stirrup" (can't see any groove on the pics provided or a mark where one or two may have been).

I would say that you need to look no further than Jose (battara) for help with a new hilt, asang asang, etc. He has done some excellent work for me and a number of other folk on this forum.

Ian

chiefheadknocker · 23rd August 2019, 06:47 AM

Thanks all , here is a closer pic

Gustav · 23rd August 2019, 01:17 PM

Actually it could possibly be one of the earliest Kris I have seen so far.
Looks like twistcore Pamor was never topographically etched, like this is the case with later blades.

It's very close to the few very big Kerisses from Java from 16th century.
A fantastic blade indeed.

chiefheadknocker · 23rd August 2019, 06:21 PM

Here are a few more pictures , i will clean the blade up a little soon but how far do you go , is it ok and wise to clean the blade up , i can sand it down untill its shining or should i leave it in its antique state ?

Ian · 23rd August 2019, 07:37 PM

Hi chief:

All of the quality examples I have seen in collections or museums have had a well polished blade. In the original culture, an antique and important blade such as this would have been polished well and most likely etched.

At the very least you need to remove the active rust, such as present on the tang. Your latest pics suggest to me that this sword did not have any asang asang during its life (at least, I see no evidence of such) which might also argue for an older transitional piece.

Congrats on another fine addition to your collection.

Ian

chiefheadknocker · 23rd August 2019, 07:47 PM

Hi Ian
Thanks for your help and guidance , once ive cleaned it up i will then be looking for a suitable hilt , i guess this will be quite difficult but surely not impossible to find ,
regards
chief

23rd August 2019, 06:47 AM	#3
chiefheadknocker Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 143	Thanks all , here is a closer pic Attached Images

23rd August 2019, 06:21 PM	#5
chiefheadknocker Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 143	Here are a few more pictures , i will clean the blade up a little soon but how far do you go , is it ok and wise to clean the blade up , i can sand it down untill its shining or should i leave it in its antique state ? Attached Images

23rd August 2019, 02:04 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I agree with Kai - close ups of the base of the hilt would be helpful. That being said, it is a nice Sulu blade, perhaps early 1800s, with great twist core. It would be good to get a good polish and etch, and a proper hilt and clamp on it too. The present hilt looks to be a modern add on.

23rd August 2019, 04:00 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Hi chief, A lovely blade and I agree with Kai and Jose--better pics needed. Congratulations again for a very nice find. I'm not sure whether this one ever had a "stirrup" (can't see any groove on the pics provided or a mark where one or two may have been). I would say that you need to look no further than Jose (battara) for help with a new hilt, asang asang, etc. He has done some excellent work for me and a number of other folk on this forum. Ian

23rd August 2019, 01:17 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Actually it could possibly be one of the earliest Kris I have seen so far. Looks like twistcore Pamor was never topographically etched, like this is the case with later blades. It's very close to the few very big Kerisses from Java from 16th century. A fantastic blade indeed.

23rd August 2019, 07:37 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Hi chief: All of the quality examples I have seen in collections or museums have had a well polished blade. In the original culture, an antique and important blade such as this would have been polished well and most likely etched. At the very least you need to remove the active rust, such as present on the tang. Your latest pics suggest to me that this sword did not have any asang asang during its life (at least, I see no evidence of such) which might also argue for an older transitional piece. Congrats on another fine addition to your collection. Ian

23rd August 2019, 07:47 PM	#7
chiefheadknocker Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 143	Hi Ian Thanks for your help and guidance , once ive cleaned it up i will then be looking for a suitable hilt , i guess this will be quite difficult but surely not impossible to find , regards chief