Need help with this one....

Hombre · 29th July 2019, 10:35 AM

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kronckew · 29th July 2019, 09:57 PM

Interesting Moro Kris/Kalis, the gangya* looks like it may not be a separate piece as is more normal in pre-ww2 (1930's and earlier) items. I can see what may be just a well fitted gap line tho.

Dimensions, blade length, length overall would help too. (I can't quite read the tape measure)

* - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis#...menclature.jpg

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis

David · 29th July 2019, 10:28 PM

Interesting kris. I'd say that the gangya is indeed separate (though i can't be sure). The blade could be a bit older than the dress. The style of hilt does look more post WWII, but it is nicely done. Are the metal bits actually silver? Some look like they could be. Also looks like there is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. Can you see what that coin is and if there is a date (though that doesn't necessarily date the blade). Over all it seems a nice example of this type.

Battara · 30th July 2019, 12:31 AM

Welcome to our little forum!

I would agree with the opinions so far. This is an early 1900s Maguindanao blade with 1950s hilt and scabbard. The hilt looks to be made of chased and filigree nickel silver and brass/bronze pieces. As far as the scabbard is concerned, the wood appears to be palm wood(?) and the mounts perhaps silver plated tin(?).

However, if you etch the blade, you might find laminations in it. And yes I do see a separation line on the ganga, not an engraved line (a good sign of being a more quality blade usually).

By the way, are those measurements in inches or centimeters?

ariel · 30th July 2019, 02:59 AM

It’s centimeters, not inches.
First, they are too tight for inches, but most importantly, Stefan is from Sweden:-)))

Sajen · 30th July 2019, 05:32 PM

Hi Stefan,

This is not a keris but a kris since it's from the Philippines. Good old blade, end of 19th to very early 20th century with later handle and scabbard. Have you tried to polish the metal parts? And I would polish the blade and would give it an etch with vinegar, it will show a nice lamination IMO.

Regards,
Detlef

Hombre · 30th July 2019, 10:13 PM

Thank you so very much for your inputs. I really appreciate it!
Yes, it is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. It looks like 25 centavos and the one they made between 1958-1967.
Are the metal bits actually silver? I really do not know…

When it comes to the scabbard I do not know what kind of wood it is yet but I can say that the wood is very dry.

I haven´t done anything yet when it comes to polish the metal parts….Got it yesterday….
Sounds like a good advice Detlef, to polish the blade and give it an etch with vinegar but shall I do that myself…. I do not think so…. My thumb is in the middle of my hand so to speak….

I want it to be properly done by someone who know what he is doing because I do not want to destroy anything….

Have seen it so many times when it comes to old Winchester lever guns…. Guys who thought the knew what they were doing…. Sure! I believe more in Harry Callahans: “A man´s got to know his limitations”.

Again, thank you so very much for your inputs… It is amazing how much knowledge you can find here in this forum.

I am so very happy for my Moro Kris and as my first one I didn´t do so bad, I think.

Best,
Stefan

29th July 2019, 10:35 AM	#1
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	. Last edited by Ian; 31st July 2019 at 04:35 AM.

29th July 2019, 09:57 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Interesting Moro Kris/Kalis, the gangya* looks like it may not be a separate piece as is more normal in pre-ww2 (1930's and earlier) items. I can see what may be just a well fitted gap line tho. Dimensions, blade length, length overall would help too. (I can't quite read the tape measure) * - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis#...menclature.jpg and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis

29th July 2019, 10:28 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Interesting kris. I'd say that the gangya is indeed separate (though i can't be sure). The blade could be a bit older than the dress. The style of hilt does look more post WWII, but it is nicely done. Are the metal bits actually silver? Some look like they could be. Also looks like there is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. Can you see what that coin is and if there is a date (though that doesn't necessarily date the blade). Over all it seems a nice example of this type.

30th July 2019, 12:31 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Welcome to our little forum! I would agree with the opinions so far. This is an early 1900s Maguindanao blade with 1950s hilt and scabbard. The hilt looks to be made of chased and filigree nickel silver and brass/bronze pieces. As far as the scabbard is concerned, the wood appears to be palm wood(?) and the mounts perhaps silver plated tin(?). However, if you etch the blade, you might find laminations in it. And yes I do see a separation line on the ganga, not an engraved line (a good sign of being a more quality blade usually). By the way, are those measurements in inches or centimeters?

30th July 2019, 02:59 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It’s centimeters, not inches. First, they are too tight for inches, but most importantly, Stefan is from Sweden:-)))

30th July 2019, 05:32 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hi Stefan, This is not a keris but a kris since it's from the Philippines. Good old blade, end of 19th to very early 20th century with later handle and scabbard. Have you tried to polish the metal parts? And I would polish the blade and would give it an etch with vinegar, it will show a nice lamination IMO. Regards, Detlef

30th July 2019, 10:13 PM	#7
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you so very much for your inputs. I really appreciate it! Yes, it is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. It looks like 25 centavos and the one they made between 1958-1967. Are the metal bits actually silver? I really do not know… When it comes to the scabbard I do not know what kind of wood it is yet but I can say that the wood is very dry. I haven´t done anything yet when it comes to polish the metal parts….Got it yesterday…. Sounds like a good advice Detlef, to polish the blade and give it an etch with vinegar but shall I do that myself…. I do not think so…. My thumb is in the middle of my hand so to speak…. I want it to be properly done by someone who know what he is doing because I do not want to destroy anything…. Have seen it so many times when it comes to old Winchester lever guns…. Guys who thought the knew what they were doing…. Sure! I believe more in Harry Callahans: “A man´s got to know his limitations”. Again, thank you so very much for your inputs… It is amazing how much knowledge you can find here in this forum. I am so very happy for my Moro Kris and as my first one I didn´t do so bad, I think. Best, Stefan