Unusual balinese warangka.

Athanase · 14th July 2019, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

If it is the lip at the top of the wrongko and the way it rises at the back i can see sometime Javanese is that form, but i don't think it is never seen on Bali sheaths. I made this comparison to show someone the difference in shape between Javanese and Bali gayaman some time ago. But i am still fairly confident that your sheath is Bali, or perhaps Lombok, not Javanese. Note that those flourishes at the joint with the gandar are not present on the Javanese keris in this example while rudimentary ones are present on the Balinese wrongko.

Yes it's the two lips of each side of Wrongko that made me doubt because they are identical to Javanese wrongko.
On the other hand, I agree that all the other details of this sheath are perfectly Balinese.
So it would be just a Javanese influence on a Balinese scabbard?

sirek · 14th July 2019, 06:12 PM

Hello,
not as nicely carved as yours, but with a similar shape of the wrongko
(total lenght ± 51 cm/20 inch and a polished blade)

Athanase · 14th July 2019, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirek

Hello,
not as nicely carved as yours, but with a similar shape of the wrongko
(total lenght ± 51 cm/20 inch and a polished blade)

I love the blade!!

In addition to its "lips", a handle and mendak in a javanese style but the rest with balinese style, your keris also asks the same question.

David · 14th July 2019, 11:34 PM

hmmmm....any possibility we are dealing with Balinese people living in Jawa?
Sirek's keris is very interesting. I also love the blade and it sure looks like it could be a Bali/Lombok.

A. G. Maisey · 15th July 2019, 12:14 AM

I've been waiting for that idea David.

To me, this wrongko atasan is East Jawa/West Bali. On a day when there is a wind from the west you can stand at the car ramp in Banyuwangi and spit into Gilimanuk. Both sides of the strait there is a mixture of cultures, in East Jawa you have Balinese people, in West Bali you have Javanese people.

I reckon this wrongko is far east Jawa.

Blade length is 33cm = 13 inches.

Bali?

How long is the actual wrongko?

David · 15th July 2019, 04:32 AM

Well, it makes a lot of sense to me Alan. The sheaths take on a general Javanese shape, but keep key elements of Bali wrongko form. Seems like a logical solution.

sirek · 15th July 2019, 05:45 PM

xtra pictures of the blade (kebo teki)
and the size of the wrongko,
(the blade length without pesi=33,5 cm/13,2 inch)

14th July 2019, 06:12 PM	#2
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	Hello, not as nicely carved as yours, but with a similar shape of the wrongko (total lenght ± 51 cm/20 inch and a polished blade) Attached Images

15th July 2019, 05:45 PM	#7
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	xtra pictures of the blade (kebo teki) and the size of the wrongko, (the blade length without pesi=33,5 cm/13,2 inch) Attached Images

14th July 2019, 11:34 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	hmmmm....any possibility we are dealing with Balinese people living in Jawa? Sirek's keris is very interesting. I also love the blade and it sure looks like it could be a Bali/Lombok.

15th July 2019, 12:14 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	I've been waiting for that idea David. To me, this wrongko atasan is East Jawa/West Bali. On a day when there is a wind from the west you can stand at the car ramp in Banyuwangi and spit into Gilimanuk. Both sides of the strait there is a mixture of cultures, in East Jawa you have Balinese people, in West Bali you have Javanese people. I reckon this wrongko is far east Jawa. Blade length is 33cm = 13 inches. Bali? How long is the actual wrongko?

15th July 2019, 04:32 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Well, it makes a lot of sense to me Alan. The sheaths take on a general Javanese shape, but keep key elements of Bali wrongko form. Seems like a logical solution.