Kindjal, filigreed sheath.

rockelk · 25th June 2019, 04:40 AM

The blade is not flat but is beveled. no marks, no 3. on the back side two fullers.

ariel · 25th June 2019, 05:49 AM

Without pics it is impossible to be sure, but I suspect that this kindjal may be a
fresh Georgian souvenir
Filigree is technically the simplest and cheapest decorative technique and is used widely on souvenir handles and scabbards.
If you manage to photograph it, I may change my uninformed guess.

Hoping to be wrong.

mariusgmioc · 25th June 2019, 06:41 AM

Here is my Georgian Qama (that's how they are called in Georgia).
I estimate it to be from around 1960 (but I might be wrong).
It has a very good pattern welded blade (I cleaned all the traces of rust you can see in the photos).
The inscription on the back says: "given to Imedadze from Kintsurashvili."
The filigree is of very high quality and is neither simple to make nor of lesser value.

mariusgmioc · 25th June 2019, 06:52 AM

This is another one of lesser quality.
The Qama bears the name of the owner: Aksnti Peradze (I suspect the first name is misspelled as it should have been Aksenti or Aksinti).

ariel · 25th June 2019, 09:43 AM

Yours are decent, with maker's marks, inscriptions, niello, gilding. Those were not mentioned, and I had something else in mind:-)
Eventually, we need to see the pics.

rockelk · 25th June 2019, 04:41 PM

I sincerely appreciate all the response. This is a great site. I I suspect this is at least a upper end tourist example. As soon as I get it in hand I will follow up with pictures. Again thanks to all. Sincerely rm

mariusgmioc · 25th June 2019, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Yours are decent, with maker's marks, inscriptions, niello, gilding. Those were not mentioned, and I had something else in mind:-)
Eventually, we need to see the pics.

Yep. Quite different classes of workmanship.

PS: I only own the first one. The second one is not mine.
The two triple fullered larger ones in your example appear to be Daghestani or from Vladikavkaz... And I also have serious doubts about the Georgian origin of the "tourist" piece.

ariel · 26th June 2019, 12:22 AM

Modern souvenir makers adhere to no particular “style”. Flashy, generic, easy to make. Over there profit of $20 is a respectable sum.
There are some higher class sellers, pushing elaborate fantasies, sometimes even with old blades. Be attentive, careful and paranoid!

25th June 2019, 04:40 AM	#1
rockelk Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Arizona Posts: 42	Khindal The blade is not flat but is beveled. no marks, no 3. on the back side two fullers. Last edited by rockelk; 25th June 2019 at 04:57 AM. Reason: update

25th June 2019, 06:41 AM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Here is my Georgian Qama (that's how they are called in Georgia). I estimate it to be from around 1960 (but I might be wrong). It has a very good pattern welded blade (I cleaned all the traces of rust you can see in the photos). The inscription on the back says: "given to Imedadze from Kintsurashvili." The filigree is of very high quality and is neither simple to make nor of lesser value. Attached Images

25th June 2019, 06:52 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	This is another one of lesser quality. The Qama bears the name of the owner: Aksnti Peradze (I suspect the first name is misspelled as it should have been Aksenti or Aksinti). Attached Images

25th June 2019, 09:43 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Yours are decent, with maker's marks, inscriptions, niello, gilding. Those were not mentioned, and I had something else in mind:-) Eventually, we need to see the pics. Attached Images

25th June 2019, 04:41 PM	#6
rockelk Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Arizona Posts: 42	Impressed I sincerely appreciate all the response. This is a great site. I I suspect this is at least a upper end tourist example. As soon as I get it in hand I will follow up with pictures. Again thanks to all. Sincerely rm

25th June 2019, 05:49 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Without pics it is impossible to be sure, but I suspect that this kindjal may be a fresh Georgian souvenir Filigree is technically the simplest and cheapest decorative technique and is used widely on souvenir handles and scabbards. If you manage to photograph it, I may change my uninformed guess. Hoping to be wrong.

26th June 2019, 12:22 AM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Modern souvenir makers adhere to no particular “style”. Flashy, generic, easy to make. Over there profit of $20 is a respectable sum. There are some higher class sellers, pushing elaborate fantasies, sometimes even with old blades. Be attentive, careful and paranoid!