Old Cirebon Keris for comment.

A. G. Maisey · 22nd June 2019, 10:22 PM

I would classify this blade as Segaluh, which is West Jawa, not North Coast, but is quite commonly found in North Coast dress ---- in fact Segaluh blades are very commonly found in dress from all over the region, it is a very old classification and was located near to a major trading port, so Segaluh blades spread to everywhere.

The hilt style can come from West Jawa, North Coast, through into East Jawa, so although not specifically Cirebon, it sits OK as Cirebon.

I believe this gambar will accommodate the blade with just a very minor degree of adjustment.

Use of a horn selut is a common repair.

The mendak is a nice mating for this ensemble.

Jean · 23rd June 2019, 08:52 AM

I fully agree with Alan's comments but just add that the scabbard is from East Java IMO so is not perfectly matching with the blade & hilt. I will soon post a similar blade which I just purchased for comparison.
Regards

Jean · 23rd June 2019, 10:47 AM

Pics of my similar blade in Segaluh style, also similar to Patje's blade in another recent thread. The nice ivory hilt is in alternative style from West Java/ North Coast/ East Java.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 23rd June 2019, 01:39 PM

Jean, can you explain why you favour East Jawa for the scabbard?

Athanase tells us he put it together from two unrelated pieces, so both of these must be from East Jawa?

Personally I would have a lot of difficulty in placing a scabbard like this into any particular area. Javanese, certainly, but where in Jawa? Well somewhere that is not under the direct influence of a kraton. Who might have used such a scabbard? I think I'd probably be placing the original owner towards the lower end of the socioeconomic scale.

East Jawa does have some distinctive styles, but I would hesitate to include this scabbard amongst those styles.

Athanase · 23rd June 2019, 06:25 PM

Thank you for this valuable information!

For the scabbard, the gambar was originally with another old Keris Segaluh blade, but it lacked the ganja (without gandar, without mendak nor handle).
For the gandar, which comes from a lot of spare pieces of scabbard.
The wood and the form is very similar to what I have more complete from Madura and East Java (and perhaps also central java) which are, in Europe, the most common origins of Kriss or their spare parts.

Jean · 23rd June 2019, 07:44 PM

Alan, Séverin,
Thank you for your messages.
From my observations and references the scabbard from Séverin is typical of the gayaman style from East Java/ Madura (see another typical specimen shown on my first pic).
Again from my observations and references the old kris scabbards from West Java and the North Coast of Java (Cirebon and Tegal) are very rarely (if any) made from timoho pelet wood but rather from a local dark wood which could be kayu areng or sono keling? Also the gayaman style of scabbard is quite rare in these areas and the gandar has a specific shape (thick and wide at the mouth and with a peculiar shape of buntut) unlike the scabbards from East Java. You can see 2 typical specimens on my second and third pic, the first one is from Java North Coast and the second one probably from West Java.
Of course I could be wrong and apologize in advance.
Regards

Jean · 23rd June 2019, 08:21 PM

Another typical gayaman scabbard from East Java/ Madura.
Regards

23rd June 2019, 08:52 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I fully agree with Alan's comments but just add that the scabbard is from East Java IMO so is not perfectly matching with the blade & hilt. I will soon post a similar blade which I just purchased for comparison. Regards Last edited by Jean; 23rd June 2019 at 10:49 AM.

23rd June 2019, 10:47 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Pics of my similar blade in Segaluh style, also similar to Patje's blade in another recent thread. The nice ivory hilt is in alternative style from West Java/ North Coast/ East Java. Regards Attached Images

23rd June 2019, 06:25 PM	#5
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Thank you for this valuable information! For the scabbard, the gambar was originally with another old Keris Segaluh blade, but it lacked the ganja (without gandar, without mendak nor handle). For the gandar, which comes from a lot of spare pieces of scabbard. The wood and the form is very similar to what I have more complete from Madura and East Java (and perhaps also central java) which are, in Europe, the most common origins of Kriss or their spare parts. Last edited by Athanase; 23rd June 2019 at 07:34 PM.

23rd June 2019, 07:44 PM	#6
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Alan, Séverin, Thank you for your messages. From my observations and references the scabbard from Séverin is typical of the gayaman style from East Java/ Madura (see another typical specimen shown on my first pic). Again from my observations and references the old kris scabbards from West Java and the North Coast of Java (Cirebon and Tegal) are very rarely (if any) made from timoho pelet wood but rather from a local dark wood which could be kayu areng or sono keling? Also the gayaman style of scabbard is quite rare in these areas and the gandar has a specific shape (thick and wide at the mouth and with a peculiar shape of buntut) unlike the scabbards from East Java. You can see 2 typical specimens on my second and third pic, the first one is from Java North Coast and the second one probably from West Java. Of course I could be wrong and apologize in advance. Regards Attached Images Last edited by Jean; 23rd June 2019 at 08:27 PM.

23rd June 2019, 08:21 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Another typical gayaman scabbard from East Java/ Madura. Regards Attached Images

22nd June 2019, 10:22 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I would classify this blade as Segaluh, which is West Jawa, not North Coast, but is quite commonly found in North Coast dress ---- in fact Segaluh blades are very commonly found in dress from all over the region, it is a very old classification and was located near to a major trading port, so Segaluh blades spread to everywhere. The hilt style can come from West Jawa, North Coast, through into East Jawa, so although not specifically Cirebon, it sits OK as Cirebon. I believe this gambar will accommodate the blade with just a very minor degree of adjustment. Use of a horn selut is a common repair. The mendak is a nice mating for this ensemble.

23rd June 2019, 01:39 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Jean, can you explain why you favour East Jawa for the scabbard? Athanase tells us he put it together from two unrelated pieces, so both of these must be from East Jawa? Personally I would have a lot of difficulty in placing a scabbard like this into any particular area. Javanese, certainly, but where in Jawa? Well somewhere that is not under the direct influence of a kraton. Who might have used such a scabbard? I think I'd probably be placing the original owner towards the lower end of the socioeconomic scale. East Jawa does have some distinctive styles, but I would hesitate to include this scabbard amongst those styles.