A bronze Keris hilt - help needed to identify figure etc.

A. G. Maisey · 7th June 2019, 10:31 PM

Are fangs visible?

Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

Rick · 8th June 2019, 01:32 AM

It would be nice to see this object photographed perhaps in open shade sunlight and a bit sharper, perhaps a view from the back also.

Jean · 8th June 2019, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Are fangs visible?

Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

Thank you, corrected.

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2019, 09:59 PM

Maybe there are fangs there Jean, I just cannot see the detail of this hilt well enough on my screen to know with certainty.

kai · 8th June 2019, 10:31 PM

Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded!

He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon.

I'm adding a few more pics he send me for posting; Tim will try to take some more.

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 9th June 2019, 12:44 AM

I'm getting the impression from the images that Kai has posted that there is a Tumpal Throne involved here.

kai · 9th June 2019, 08:54 AM

Yes, Rick, some of the tumpal motifs have been preserved in this design.

There also seems to be a garuda mungkur at the back of the head.

I'm fairly sure there are fangs - we need sharper pics for verification though.

There seem to be 2 elephants depicted at the front.

The hilt sure does seem to have some age despite metal castings being notoriously difficult to appraise. However, I don't see any of the common motifs/details of very early carved hilts and suspect this piece is later work.

Tim, any resin (or wood) inside the hilt?

Regards,
Kai

Marcokeris · 9th June 2019, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Yes, Rick, some of the tumpal motifs have been preserved in this design.

There also seems to be a garuda mungkur at the back of the head.

I'm fairly sure there are fangs - we need sharper pics for verification though.

There seem to be 2 elephants depicted at the front.

The hilt sure does seem to have some age despite metal castings being notoriously difficult to appraise. However, I don't see any of the common motifs/details of very early carved hilts and suspect this piece is later work.

Tim, any resin (or wood) inside the hilt?

Regards,
Kai

I agree..... Interesting handle and I think it could be old

8th June 2019, 10:31 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded! He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon. I'm adding a few more pics he send me for posting; Tim will try to take some more. Regards, Kai Attached Images

7th June 2019, 10:31 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Are fangs visible? Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

8th June 2019, 01:32 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It would be nice to see this object photographed perhaps in open shade sunlight and a bit sharper, perhaps a view from the back also.

8th June 2019, 09:59 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Maybe there are fangs there Jean, I just cannot see the detail of this hilt well enough on my screen to know with certainty.

9th June 2019, 12:44 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'm getting the impression from the images that Kai has posted that there is a Tumpal Throne involved here.

9th June 2019, 08:54 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Yes, Rick, some of the tumpal motifs have been preserved in this design. There also seems to be a garuda mungkur at the back of the head. I'm fairly sure there are fangs - we need sharper pics for verification though. There seem to be 2 elephants depicted at the front. The hilt sure does seem to have some age despite metal castings being notoriously difficult to appraise. However, I don't see any of the common motifs/details of very early carved hilts and suspect this piece is later work. Tim, any resin (or wood) inside the hilt? Regards, Kai