A bronze Keris hilt - help needed to identify figure etc.

A. G. Maisey · 7th June 2019, 12:48 PM

I also cannot assist Tim, however, even though this hand position does resemble one or more Buddhist hand positions, I suspect it could be that to attach this hilt to a Buddhist relationship + a keris relationship might be the wrong way to go.

I have never seen representations of keris, nor of keris-like objects in a Buddhist setting, and since the keris is a symbol of Siwa, this is totally understandable.

So, if we opt for a Buddhist relationship we probably should remove the keris from the equation. Some other type of weapon, or even object, but not a keris.

Similarly, if we opt for a keris relationship maybe Buddha has got to leave the room.

We have an elephant + some other animal. Do we know what the other animal is?

If we were to understand the hand position as a Hindu, what might we be looking at?

Jean · 7th June 2019, 08:59 PM

The face rather looks like a Hindu demon with bulging eyes than a Buddhist figure.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 7th June 2019, 10:31 PM

Are fangs visible?

Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

Rick · 8th June 2019, 01:32 AM

It would be nice to see this object photographed perhaps in open shade sunlight and a bit sharper, perhaps a view from the back also.

Jean · 8th June 2019, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Are fangs visible?

Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

Thank you, corrected.

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2019, 09:59 PM

Maybe there are fangs there Jean, I just cannot see the detail of this hilt well enough on my screen to know with certainty.

kai · 8th June 2019, 10:31 PM

Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded!

He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon.

I'm adding a few more pics he send me for posting; Tim will try to take some more.

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 9th June 2019, 12:44 AM

I'm getting the impression from the images that Kai has posted that there is a Tumpal Throne involved here.

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Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The face rather looks like a Hindu demon with bulging eyes than a Buddhist figure. Regards Last edited by Jean; 8th June 2019 at 02:07 PM.

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kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded! He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon. I'm adding a few more pics he send me for posting; Tim will try to take some more. Regards, Kai Attached Images

7th June 2019, 12:48 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	I also cannot assist Tim, however, even though this hand position does resemble one or more Buddhist hand positions, I suspect it could be that to attach this hilt to a Buddhist relationship + a keris relationship might be the wrong way to go. I have never seen representations of keris, nor of keris-like objects in a Buddhist setting, and since the keris is a symbol of Siwa, this is totally understandable. So, if we opt for a Buddhist relationship we probably should remove the keris from the equation. Some other type of weapon, or even object, but not a keris. Similarly, if we opt for a keris relationship maybe Buddha has got to leave the room. We have an elephant + some other animal. Do we know what the other animal is? If we were to understand the hand position as a Hindu, what might we be looking at?

7th June 2019, 10:31 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Are fangs visible? Even very small rudimentary ones would do, but unless we have those we cannot begin to think "raksasa".

8th June 2019, 01:32 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It would be nice to see this object photographed perhaps in open shade sunlight and a bit sharper, perhaps a view from the back also.

8th June 2019, 09:59 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,990	Maybe there are fangs there Jean, I just cannot see the detail of this hilt well enough on my screen to know with certainty.

9th June 2019, 12:44 AM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'm getting the impression from the images that Kai has posted that there is a Tumpal Throne involved here.