My new Buys, tell me what you think

Disturbedone2004 · 22nd April 2006, 08:00 PM

Just recently bought this one, and recently got off a mandatory 10-day suspension for posting active auctions

. Tell me what you think of this keris / kris. From what i know of it, it is supposed to be only 100 years old or so and it was given to the seller by his grandpa. I don't really know if it is that old but i bought it really based on its appearance (i'm shallow like that).

ariel · 22nd April 2006, 09:16 PM

I know nothing about Kris, but just a perfunctory glance suggests to me that it is a tourist trap.

Ian · 22nd April 2006, 09:41 PM

Good to have you back. Again, we ask that everyone read the posting instructions at the top of the Forum page. We don't like having to enforce the rules, but they are there to protect the Forum and its Members -- 'nough said.

About your keris. Well, there are many here who are better informed than I am about keris, but I think you have a recently made example that has been "aged" a little in its appearance.

Ian.

Disturbedone2004 · 22nd April 2006, 10:46 PM

Thank both of you for your replies, I agree with both of you and kind of thought it was more recent than the seller had claimed, but he also siad he knew nothing of keris/kris and made no promises.

But I guess it really doesn't matter too much to me, i am not a collector and i bought this piece solely as decoration. I posted this just to see if anyone knew anything i should know about it ( though I know that it is really hard to judge it without seeing it in person).

Thanks in advance to anyone else who posts on this.

Chance

Emanuel · 23rd April 2006, 03:08 AM

Hello,
I think yours might be an upper-class cousin of mine. How long is it? This one has a 20cm blade. There're traces of green/blue in the blade and the hilt is fixed, correct? In my case it is a tourist example. Unfortunately yours looks to be the same.

Regards,
Manolo

Alam Shah · 23rd April 2006, 03:12 AM

disturbedone, I agree with ariel and Ian. This is a recently-made piece trying to look old. Normally you'll hear a lot of stories pieces associated with this type of bone fittings keris.

The blade is a mass-produced tourist type.

micas · 23rd April 2006, 03:43 AM

Alam Shah:

Are these types peculiar to a certain region?

Because I've seen similar shoddy pieces being sold online from someone in Malaysian Borneo.

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micas

Alam Shah:

Are these types peculiar to a certain region?

Because I've seen similar shoddy pieces being sold online from someone in Malaysian Borneo.

Indonesia in general .

An educated buyer is an astute buyer .
If you would collect antique arms first buy books .
Also buy from honest Sellers .

Disturbedone2004 · 23rd April 2006, 04:04 AM

Yeah, i think it is a cousin of your blade there Manolo, its blade is about 20cm give or take, I haven't really cleaned it up to see the traces of color in the blade (and now i will clean it up since it is a recently made mass produced product).

I know that value is a touchy thing on this forum sometimes, but if you don't mind, Manolo, how much did you give for that one in US$?

Since everyone agrees that it is recently made is there anyway to find out how recently it was made? I figure it is going to be hard to pinpoint the age of this one but i am going to say it is around 20 years or so.

Chance

Rick · 23rd April 2006, 04:09 AM

Probably less .

Disturbedone2004 · 23rd April 2006, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Indonesia in general .

An educated buyer is an astute buyer .
If you would collect antique arms first buy books .
Also buy from honest Sellers .

Again, i am not collecting, i was just buying this as a decorative piece and i am now curious as to its origin and such.

Thank you for your post and advice though.

Chance

Henk · 23rd April 2006, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbedone2004

Since everyone agrees that it is recently made is there anyway to find out how recently it was made? I figure it is going to be hard to pinpoint the age of this one but i am going to say it is around 20 years or so.

Chance

Rick told you less. Rick is friendly. I would say last week. In this forum we don't discuss money, but the item. Nevertheless I hope you didn't payed to much, but everything you payed for this one was too much, sorry.

If it comforts you, almost every collector started in this way.

Alam Shah · 23rd April 2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micas

Alam Shah:

Are these types peculiar to a certain region?

Because I've seen similar shoddy pieces being sold online from someone in Malaysian Borneo.

I don't know where it originated.

But I've seen an authentic piece in Balinese dress. The real ones are rather rare.

The touristy ones are plenty online...and the seller you mentioned seems to have plenty of these...

micas · 23rd April 2006, 01:23 PM

Alam Shah: I PM'd you. Thnx.

Disturbedone2004 · 26th April 2006, 10:03 PM

Well this should only be viewed to get an idea of what not to do for the new collectors. I got my money back since the seller made false claims on the Keris (should have known this though, never seen a real one with gold adornments and i doubt i ever will).

Thank you to everyone who helped me identify this keris as a tourist peice posing as an antique.

Also i have other weapons such as arrowheads, stone knives, and a really old shotgun that i know aren't fakes, not sure if they are allowed on this site, but if they are i will put up some pics.

Chance

22nd April 2006, 08:00 PM	#1
Disturbedone2004 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6	My new Buys, tell me what you think Just recently bought this one, and recently got off a mandatory 10-day suspension for posting active auctions . Tell me what you think of this keris / kris. From what i know of it, it is supposed to be only 100 years old or so and it was given to the seller by his grandpa. I don't really know if it is that old but i bought it really based on its appearance (i'm shallow like that). Attached Images

22nd April 2006, 09:41 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Welcome back ... Good to have you back. Again, we ask that everyone read the posting instructions at the top of the Forum page. We don't like having to enforce the rules, but they are there to protect the Forum and its Members -- 'nough said. About your keris. Well, there are many here who are better informed than I am about keris, but I think you have a recently made example that has been "aged" a little in its appearance. Ian.

22nd April 2006, 10:46 PM	#4
Disturbedone2004 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6	Thank you Thank both of you for your replies, I agree with both of you and kind of thought it was more recent than the seller had claimed, but he also siad he knew nothing of keris/kris and made no promises. But I guess it really doesn't matter too much to me, i am not a collector and i bought this piece solely as decoration. I posted this just to see if anyone knew anything i should know about it ( though I know that it is really hard to judge it without seeing it in person). Thanks in advance to anyone else who posts on this. Chance

23rd April 2006, 03:08 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello, I think yours might be an upper-class cousin of mine. How long is it? This one has a 20cm blade. There're traces of green/blue in the blade and the hilt is fixed, correct? In my case it is a tourist example. Unfortunately yours looks to be the same. Regards, Manolo Attached Images

23rd April 2006, 04:04 AM	#9
Disturbedone2004 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6	Yeah i think they were seperated at birth Yeah, i think it is a cousin of your blade there Manolo, its blade is about 20cm give or take, I haven't really cleaned it up to see the traces of color in the blade (and now i will clean it up since it is a recently made mass produced product). I know that value is a touchy thing on this forum sometimes, but if you don't mind, Manolo, how much did you give for that one in US$? Since everyone agrees that it is recently made is there anyway to find out how recently it was made? I figure it is going to be hard to pinpoint the age of this one but i am going to say it is around 20 years or so. Chance Last edited by Disturbedone2004; 23rd April 2006 at 04:14 AM.

22nd April 2006, 09:16 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I know nothing about Kris, but just a perfunctory glance suggests to me that it is a tourist trap.

23rd April 2006, 03:12 AM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	disturbedone, I agree with ariel and Ian. This is a recently-made piece trying to look old. Normally you'll hear a lot of stories pieces associated with this type of bone fittings keris. The blade is a mass-produced tourist type.

23rd April 2006, 03:43 AM	#7
micas Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	Alam Shah: Are these types peculiar to a certain region? Because I've seen similar shoddy pieces being sold online from someone in Malaysian Borneo.

23rd April 2006, 04:09 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Probably less .

23rd April 2006, 01:23 PM	#14
micas Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	Alam Shah: I PM'd you. Thnx.

26th April 2006, 10:03 PM	#15
Disturbedone2004 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6	It's Over Well this should only be viewed to get an idea of what not to do for the new collectors. I got my money back since the seller made false claims on the Keris (should have known this though, never seen a real one with gold adornments and i doubt i ever will). Thank you to everyone who helped me identify this keris as a tourist peice posing as an antique. Also i have other weapons such as arrowheads, stone knives, and a really old shotgun that i know aren't fakes, not sure if they are allowed on this site, but if they are i will put up some pics. Chance