Help In identifying Ottoman sword and inscriptions

ariel · 30th March 2019, 09:32 AM

See above: 1118 H; 1708-9 Gregorian. Or 1138H = 1725-6? Last pic, right cartouche.
This is just an impression from a poor quality and seemingly upside down photo.
Would be nice to hear what other people see and think.

Inscriptions might be gold, might be brass, only a jeweler with good equipment will be able to distinguish. In any case, this does not (IMHO) affect the value of the sword.

kronckew · 30th March 2019, 10:20 AM

Correct way up I see 1138.

Pieje · 30th March 2019, 12:36 PM

A great 18th century shamshir! Congrats!
Did you check the handle/translucency? Could be rhino..
Gold inlay, often verses of the Quran or poetry, probably done later (Syria?).

sadsmd · 30th March 2019, 03:47 PM

Again thank you everyone!

I have a friend who is Persian and they translated one of the inscriptions to read
"Saheb and Malek, means the owner of... Ali (ba) with Shazdeh (Prince) Omar yek (one).

I've uploaded a couple more pics of the inscriptions.
Thank you,
Steve

Kubur · 30th March 2019, 05:52 PM

Beautiful Ottoman Turkish sword 18th or early 19th c.
This sword is from Turkey
There is no reason and no proof to say that the scabbard chape or the inscriptions are late addition.
all is coherent

kwiatek · 30th November 2019, 12:43 AM

Again old post, but is a nice piece which deserves a correct reading!

sahib ve malik ‘ali paşa-zade ömer bey

“The owner and possessor ‘Ali Pasha-zade Ömer Bey”

‘amel-i abdülmecid sene 1138

“Work of Abdülmecid, year 1138 (1725-26)”

I can translate the poems another time but at least now the historical info is there. Someone might even be able to identify the owner.

Kubur · 30th November 2019, 03:19 AM

Amazing Turkish sword from the 18th c.

30th March 2019, 09:32 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	See above: 1118 H; 1708-9 Gregorian. Or 1138H = 1725-6? Last pic, right cartouche. This is just an impression from a poor quality and seemingly upside down photo. Would be nice to hear what other people see and think. Inscriptions might be gold, might be brass, only a jeweler with good equipment will be able to distinguish. In any case, this does not (IMHO) affect the value of the sword. Last edited by ariel; 30th March 2019 at 09:46 AM.

30th March 2019, 10:20 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Correct way up I see 1138. Attached Images

30th March 2019, 03:47 PM	#4
sadsmd Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: NC Posts: 12	Again thank you everyone! I have a friend who is Persian and they translated one of the inscriptions to read "Saheb and Malek, means the owner of... Ali (ba) with Shazdeh (Prince) Omar yek (one). I've uploaded a couple more pics of the inscriptions. Thank you, Steve Attached Images

30th November 2019, 12:43 AM	#6
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Again old post, but is a nice piece which deserves a correct reading! sahib ve malik ‘ali paşa-zade ömer bey “The owner and possessor ‘Ali Pasha-zade Ömer Bey” ‘amel-i abdülmecid sene 1138 “Work of Abdülmecid, year 1138 (1725-26)” I can translate the poems another time but at least now the historical info is there. Someone might even be able to identify the owner. Last edited by kwiatek; 30th November 2019 at 12:57 AM.

30th March 2019, 12:36 PM	#3
Pieje Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 132	A great 18th century shamshir! Congrats! Did you check the handle/translucency? Could be rhino.. Gold inlay, often verses of the Quran or poetry, probably done later (Syria?).

30th March 2019, 05:52 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Beautiful Ottoman Turkish sword 18th or early 19th c. This sword is from Turkey There is no reason and no proof to say that the scabbard chape or the inscriptions are late addition. all is coherent

30th November 2019, 03:19 AM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Amazing Turkish sword from the 18th c.